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[Lobster Johnson]

For what it's worth, I believe we already got into this issue on the BLM thread about 2 years ago...but anyways:

Taking into account protest size and duration (thousands for BLM/Extinction rebellion and tens of thousdands for anti-lockdown), you are more likely to be arrested at a BLM protest than at an anti-lockdown protest, and as a BLM protester you are more likely to be arrested for order/disorder violations less for corona virus legislation such as violating the lockdown. This suggests BLM is more policed than anti-mask protests and/or that BLM protests are more prone to order/disorder violations (thereby resulting in more order/disorder arrests than an anti-lockdown protest). Assuming the estimates of protest size are accurate, arrests rates in London are higher at a BLM protest (281/thousands) versus an anti-lockdown protest (374/tens of thousands).

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In the USA, the data clearly show that BLM protests are both overwhelmingly peaceful and yet also more prone to harsher policing:
Data are here:

Demonstrations and Political Violence in America: New Data for Summer 2020

The report covers 2020 trends in political violence and demonstrations in the US, focusing on the BLM movement.

acleddata.com

Nice one, was building to something similar you big spoilsport!

 

[verreauxi]

Nice one, was building to something similar you big spoilsport!

Sorry, I'd be interested in seeing the data. We used to discuss this somewhere on this forum, especially in the context of BLM protests in the USA as well as how it regards likelihood of death while in police custody if you are black versus non-black.

 

[Oddball]

SO what you're showing me is a demonstration in central London being policed like a demonstration in Central London. Now do the other ones you mentioned. You are of course correct that you don't have to give me evidence, but it tends to help if you want people to take your claims seriously.

The only police in this video are at the entrance to Downing St.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The only police in this video are at the entrance to Downing St.

Can we accept the content that Sky news produce?

 

[Lobster Johnson]

The only police in this video are at the entrance to Downing St.

And yet here, in the Evening Standard, you see a different picture.

41 arrests and 22 officers injured over weekend's London BLM protests

The protests passed largely peacefully but skirmishes erupted in Whitehall on Saturday and Sunday night

www.standard.co.uk

The met declared about 1100 officers were delpoyed for the anti lockdown protest you linked, I'm on the hunt for numbers for BLM.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

And yet here, in the Evening Standard, you see a different picture.

41 arrests and 22 officers injured over weekend's London BLM protests

The protests passed largely peacefully but skirmishes erupted in Whitehall on Saturday and Sunday night

www.standard.co.uk

The met declared about 1100 officers were delpoyed for the anti lockdown protest you linked, I'm on the hunt for numbers for BLM.

But again, we're comparing apples with oranges here as you wanted to compare lockdown protests in central london with BLM protests in Bristol where, presumably, the police are not as well resourced.

 

[Oddball]

1/That news (should I accept it as credible or not?) shows a peaceful protest, protesting peacefully.

The protestors who "toppled" the statue in Bristol were charged by the CPS.

1/ you said " different police areas policed differently"- Both items i linked were from Bristol and they show two-tier policing

 

[Amw79]

Can we accept the content that Sky news produce?

I’m waiting for a YouTube content creator to update me on the health of the queen. MSM are pushing a “queen has died“ agenda, but I’ll believe it when ‘Sceptic_TruthSeeker_Resist_8385501428531729’ tells me, on a livestream with 50 viewers, while asking for donations via superchat.

 

[Jebus_lives]

1/ you said " different police areas policed differently"- Both items i linked were from Bristol and they show two-tier policing

In what way? They show two protests being policed without a heavy handed approach.

The report into the Bristol policing for BLM indicated that the police approach sought not to inflame protests. The police have a duty, above all else, to protect life and minimise risk to public safety.

They did however, prosecute for criminal damage.

Shall we compare arrest figures for the Bristol BLM protests vs the linked report you shared?

 

[Oddball]

Can we accept the content that Sky news produce?

I`m using the sources you set your watch by and your still not happy? -
Don`t prevaricate, it might be viewed as being evasive which could undermine your position

 

[Lobster Johnson]

1/ you said " different police areas policed differently"- Both items i linked were from Bristol and they show two-tier policing

Both the items you posted are in London. It's in the title of one of the videos.

Now, if you want to talk London, just over 1100 officers were deployed for the anti lockdown protest.

A freedom of information request from the met ( https://www.met.police.uk/cy-GB/Sys...21/september_2021/black-lives-matter-protests) shows the following across various days.

	DAC​	Cmdr​	Ch. Supt​	Supt​	Ch.Insp​	Inspector​	Sergeant​	PC​	Staff​
3 June	1​	1​	0​	1​	3​	6​	31​	168​	5​
6 June	1​	1​	1​	6​	4​	44​	163​	895​	19​
7 June	1​	0​	1​	2​	5​	65​	202​	1235​	12​
13 June	1​	2​	4​	5​	7​	67​	155​	1458​	30​
14 June	1​	0​	1​	4​	1​	38​	90​	650​	22​

That gives an average of 1081 police on duty at those protests each day and way more if we take 2 the protest at its peak.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I’m waiting for a YouTube content creator to update me on the health of the queen. MSM are pushing a “queen has died“ agenda, but I’ll believe it when ‘Sceptic_TruthSeeker_Resist_8385501428531729’ tells me, on a livestream with 50 viewers, while asking for donations via superchat.

Joking aside, I'm genuinely struggling to understand if I should take the sources quoted by @Oddball as credible as by his own admission he doesn't consume it as he considers it bias but has cited BBC, Sky, 24/7 Bristol as evidence to support his position.

 

[Oddball]

And yet here, in the Evening Standard, you see a different picture.

41 arrests and 22 officers injured over weekend's London BLM protests

The protests passed largely peacefully but skirmishes erupted in Whitehall on Saturday and Sunday night

www.standard.co.uk

The met declared about 1100 officers were delpoyed for the anti lockdown protest you linked, I'm on the hunt for numbers for BLM.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I`m using the sources you set your watch by and your still not happy? -
Don`t prevaricate, it might be viewed as being evasive which could undermine your position

I'm not sure we've actually established.

And here is what I said about a source you consider me to "set my watch by"

"I don't really watch the BBC for in depth news content - it's too broad brush stroke and influenced by the print media agenda"

 

[Jebus_lives]

That's London not Bristol.

And London have a very different approach to protests than Bristol.