Current Affairs Culture wars & The rise of grifting

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

All normal in here I see? Very good.

 

[coollino]

afternoon all

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

1:54 is like @Oddball in a thread and @dholliday bounces in with his pyramid.

 

[Walken]

Structured peer review system = no
One click thumbs on algorithm based video system = yes

 

[Prevenger17]

Structured peer review system = no
One click thumbs on algorithm based video system = yes

Holliday was a great one for citing comment sections and voting buttons as proof of things

 

[verreauxi]

Holliday was a great one for citing comment sections and voting buttons as proof of things

Emir loves a good opinion poll, such as 40% of Americans think that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.

 

[verreauxi]

Structured peer review system = no
One click thumbs on algorithm based video system = yes

You can expect a response with a link to a retracted scientific study, which TOTALLY shows that the entirety of peer-review, and indeed science, doesn't work (at least according to Mr. Logic-Guy). This is the scientific equivalent of an anti-vaxxer saying that vaccines don't work because someone who was vaxxed had died from Covid.

 

[BlueTX]

This clown has massive financial problems so he's joined in on the Evangepublican Snake Oil Grifting Tour.

William F. Buckley would be so proud.

 

[LostLegend]

This clown has massive financial problems so he's joined in on the Evangepublican Snake Oil Grifting Tour.

William F. Buckley would be so proud.

Jesus, his face is looking like the Necronomicon these days

 

[BlueTX]

Jesus, his face is looking like the Necronomicon these days lol

The man is utterly pathetic. Not long ago he was doing interviews for magazines and TV talking about his own suicidal thoughts after his wife died and now he's prancing on the stage suggesting, without any evidence or concern, that another man might commit suicide.

And he's doing it for money, the whore.

 

[Rita_Poon]

This clown has massive financial problems so he's joined in on the Evangepublican Snake Oil Grifting Tour.

William F. Buckley would be so proud.

'The Wrestler' 2008. Dear sweet why.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Secondly, once you sort the wheat from the chaff on Youtube it`s easy to discern the wheat from the chaff.

Glorious.

 

[Oddball]

1/Nothing wrong with listening to any voice in the debate. Independent journalists are essential to that. The key is working out the motivation of that voice and considering broader position (via consensus). Isn't that the whole point of the thread?

2/I don't really watch the BBC for in depth news content - it's too broad brush stroke and influenced by the print media agenda. And recently, it has been heavily influenced by Government for content and access. So your assertion to the contrary can pop back in it's box. They're also heavily regulated.

3/As for "science isn't settled" - no of course not. But that doesn't mean there isn't a consensus on climate among the scientific community (I'm sure you can find voices who disagree but again I'd question why they are an outlier and what they are using to base their decisions on). The "science isn't settled" caveats the current position of scientific understanding - by acknowledging that understanding changes and that the full impacts of something may not be fully understood. But that doesn't mean the established findings will completely change - it could well be that current predictions aren't strong enough, for example.

4/I wouldn't consider myself 'far left' so I'm not sure what the agenda is you're talking about. Perhaps you could elaborate.

5/Perhaps if you want a sensible debate on an issue you should present yourself and your position more sensibly. It usually helps.

1/"The key,,,"? I don`t know how savvy you are but its not too hard to weigh up a presenter/commentator. Examples- Piers Morgan =smacked arse grifter.
Eric Dyson = word salad race grifter. Russell Brand = word salad, pied piper, charlatan. Morrisey= target of the Left, honest to the core.
I`m not sure i know what you mean as this seems so obvious or maybe i don`t look at things as academically as you. Its like you view real life as a theory with no spontaneity, fun, nous etc.
2/ Pretty much all news is unwatchable to me. I hear bits while i`m driving but its only 2 minutes at most.
3/ I`ll never change my mind about official/establishment "Climate warming "- If you believe the Government/media fair dooz but for me they`ve all shysters.
4/One example-When the lockdown was on there were protests - anti-mask/anti-lockdown and BLM protests. The anti-mask ones were heavily policed with
almost military tactics. At the BLM protests the police who were wobbly wooden-tops took the knee and kept their distance while statues etc were vandalised. We had a two-tier policing system which gave a pass to BLM which is a Far Left organisation.
I feel like i`m wasting my time writing this because you must surely already know it.
5/I think i started off quite sensibly but after getting so much flak it became almost pointless debating when trolls were all over the threads so then dealing with about 4 or more replies at once became futile.
I`ll probably be sickened by this post, being too serious goes against my nature which is why its a safe bet i`m the worst debater on GOT.

 

[Oddball]

Glorious.

I`m glad you noticed.

 

[Jebus_lives]

1/"The key,,,"? I don`t know how savvy you are but its not too hard to weigh up a presenter/commentator. Examples- Piers Morgan =smacked arse grifter.
Eric Dyson = word salad race grifter. Russell Brand = word salad, pied piper, charlatan. Morrisey= target of the Left, honest to the core.
I`m not sure i know what you mean as this seems so obvious or maybe i don`t look at things as academically as you. Its like you view real life as a theory with no spontaneity, fun, nous etc.
2/ Pretty much all news is unwatchable to me. I hear bits while i`m driving but its only 2 minutes at most.
3/ I`ll never change my mind about official/establishment "Climate warming "- If you believe the Government/media fair dooz but for me they`ve all shysters.
4/One example-When the lockdown was on there were protests - anti-mask/anti-lockdown and BLM protests. The anti-mask ones were heavily policed with
almost military tactics. At the BLM protests the police who were wobbly wooden-tops took the knee and kept their distance while statues etc were vandalised. We had a two-tier policing system which gave a pass to BLM which is a Far Left organisation.
I feel like i`m wasting my time writing this because you must surely already know it.
5/I think i started off quite sensibly but after getting so much flak it became almost pointless debating when trolls were all over the threads so then dealing with about 4 or more replies at once became futile.
I`ll probably be sickened by this post, being too serious goes against my nature which is why its a safe bet i`m the worst debater on GOT.

1. You seem to have picked the most extreme examples of talking heads possible. Particularly those who need shock and content to remain relevant. It's unfortunate that is how YouTube particularly works - but that's the model. More clicks so more revenue. Inevitably YouTube amplifies those voices. Nuance, balance and non partisanship does not sell.
2. My job requires an awareness of current affairs and an awareness of what official announcements are made in relation to national events - this is done through typically the BBC. I can't really avoid it, but it's limited in what it can report through regulation and the need to cater for all audiences. I don't assume the news ends with the BBC - nor should anyone else.
3. If you'll never change your mind - what's the point of the debate? Are you trying to change the mind of others. Who may be similarly stubborn or unwilling to change their mind? The mature thing is to change watch the available evidence.
4. The consistent factor in lockdown policing was the inconsistency and a over reach of legislative powers to policing. There were plenty of examples of heavy handed policing against all "sides". I routinely, on this forum advocated for the right to peaceful protest - whatever the issue. So, I don't agree with your assessment at all. Perhaps you need to consider how your bias skews your view.
5. I am willing to give anyone a chance until they give me reason to doubt it. If someone gives me reason to doubt their sincerity while claiming they want "sensible debate" I usually decide to take the piss.