Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Rita_Poon]

I suspect the "I'm naturally immune so I don't require a jab" would have spread as fast if not faster than kopitis.

 

[Rita_Poon]

And there lies a really big potential problem ( imo ), if we ever find ourselves here again, as people will be naturally be very sceptical of anything that comes from the government.

That's been my issue re credibility.

 

[MikeH72]

And there lies a really big potential problem ( imo ), if we ever find ourselves here again, as people will be naturally be very sceptical of anything that comes from the government.

I certainly am. They are corrupt, lying, fascistic snakes, the whole political class across the spectrum.

 

[Moomin]

Natural immunity also did that, but you weren’t allowed to say that at a certain point in time. People also picked and chose what experts to listen to and which ones were “discredited” based on their politics, don’t forget that. To say it was always all about science is completely false.

Which experts got discredited?

 

[MikeH72]

I suspect the "I'm naturally immune so I don't require a jab" would have spread as fast if not faster than kopitis.

Why would that be a problem?

 

[RAFUH]

There`s pages and pages of stuff, on how being vaccinated would stop you infecting others.

This was the encouraged perception, that the general public had.

You only have to go back a few pages, to see the dogs abuse @MikeH72 got over this exact topic.

There's a ton of nuance that was lost in an attempt to increase vaccinations. In many cases with good intentions, but in this day and age, just created outrage/mistrust.

If a vaccine decreases the likelihood of getting a virus, by taking the vaccine you decrease the chance that you spread the virus because you are less likely to get it.

Even if I say it this way (and some didn't), there will be many people who hear "being vaccinated will stop you infecting others" and that it NOT what I said.

 

[COYBL25]

There's a ton of nuance that was lost in an attempt to increase vaccinations. In many cases with good intentions, but in this day and age, just created outrage/mistrust.

If a vaccine decreases the likelihood of getting a virus, by taking the vaccine you decrease the chance that you spread the virus because you are less likely to get it.

Even if I say it this way (and some didn't), there will be many people who hear "being vaccinated will stop you infecting others" and that it NOT what I said.

Proper public education wouldn`t go amiss and you would hope that this was a big lesson learnt across the globe, rather that political point scoring and rampant self interest, that we witnessed.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Why would that be a problem?

Because it's easier to opt out (on a whim I hasten to add) than to follow the guidance and get off your ass to go somewhere and queue for something you can't be arsed thinking about.

Like asking a kid what it wants to eat, chocolate or vegetables. I suspect the vegetables option aint gonna be highest or even remotely so. And when those vegetables have cost a lot of money and are required consumed for the greater good, then every exception given further defeats the purpose.

If we can hammer johnson and hancock for the care homes deaths, then we also have to take responsibility ourselves to how we have engaged with the threat of the virus and acted accordingly. Or not.

 

[MikeH72]

There's a ton of nuance that was lost in an attempt to increase vaccinations. In many cases with good intentions, but in this day and age, just created outrage/mistrust.

If a vaccine decreases the likelihood of getting a virus, by taking the vaccine you decrease the chance that you spread the virus because you are less likely to get it.

Even if I say it this way (and some didn't), there will be many people who hear "being vaccinated will stop you infecting others" and that it NOT what I said.

This is where we disagree. I do not believe the government had or have good intentions.

 

[MikeH72]

Because it's easier to opt out (on a whim I hasten to add) than to follow the guidance and get off your ass to go somewhere and queue for something you can't be arsed thinking about.

Like asking a kid what it wants to eat, chocolate or vegetables. I suspect the vegetables option aint gonna be highest or even remotely so. And when those vegetables have cost a lot of money and are required consumed for the greater good, then every exception given further defeats the purpose.

If we can hammer johnson and hancock for the care homes deaths, then we also have to take responsibility ourselves to how we have engaged with the threat of the virus and acted accordingly. Or not.

But natural immunity essentially is a vaccine, so what is the problem?

 

[Rita_Poon]

But natural immunity essentially is a vaccine, so what is the problem?

There is no 'but'. Can you point me to likelihoods of the who's and why's that were proven 'naturally immune' please.

 

[MikeH72]

There is no 'but'. Can you point me to likelihoods of the who's and why's that were proven 'naturally immune' please.

What are you talking about?

 

[RAFUH]

This is where we disagree. I do not believe the government had or have good intentions.

Maybe not the government, but there were many healthcare professionals not associated with the government that were providing good information.

 

[Rita_Poon]

What are you talking about?

your raised concept of 'natural immunity'.

 

[MikeH72]

your raised concept of 'natural immunity'.

I mean, why are you acting like natural immunity is some sort of conspiracy theory?