Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Moomin]

The billionaires don’t need you to step up to the plate and defend them mate.

I'm not defending them at all.

Netflix and the likes profits went through the roof as well.

Simple reason is we couldn't spend money the conventionally way so people who usually would prefer to buy goods in stores had to buy via the likes of Boohoo ( There profits also went through the roof at the time ) and Amazon had for years become a massive brand which could sell items cheaper than the high street due to having no shops, bulk buying powers , distribution network. It had the perfect business model for a pandemic.

How did Sunak help Amazon sell more?

 

[Prevenger17]

Not necessarily, but let’s just say Rishi Sunak has close ties to Amazon.

So he was somewhat involved in starting Covid?

 

[Nightman]

Being led to believe that you were a threat to someone’s life simply by being in a restaurant while perfectly healthy, was a tyrannical and borderline fascistic abuse of power imo. I will never trust another politician again, they are pure evil in my opinion.

Take the vaccine or risk killing your grandparents will always stick with me.

Johnson and Whitty were just Pharma reps at one point. Nothing ever came of the lies they told us about how taking the vaccine would stop you passing Covid to others - they just quietly dropped that narrative like it didn't exist.

 

[Nightman]

Because the political decisions made early meant they lost control and as such swung in completely the opposite direction.

The legacy of that shambles of a Government should not tarnish any future public response to a pandemic.

We should "rely on science" to inform decisions rather than making politically ideological decisions then blaming science for the outcome when questioned.

If the pandemic taught me anything it's that we simply cannot rely on the science because the science follows the money.

 

[Nightman]

I know it was hard on a lot of people but in all honesty, lockdown was one of the happiest times of my life.

Rita will be along shortly with your new nickname...

I'm Alright Jack III

 

[Jebus_lives]

If the pandemic taught me anything it's that we simply cannot rely on the science because the science follows the money.

Something of a nebulous term that. Because everyone can claim they're following the science if one outlier claims, for example, that Covid is completely harmless.

A more basic understand of public health and the role that it has in informing political decision making would be really useful.

 

[BlueToff]

I'm sorry about your cousin.

There was no perfect answer early day. Mistakes honest and otherwise were made.
My grandma and uncle both lived in nursing homes. Both died from COVID because the people that cared for them and others they were around weren't careful

Think this is just a bit much to say tbh.

People were very, very careful in a lot of settings and COVID still spread to people and still killed them.

It wasn't all down to people being reckless.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Aye I know for some it was terrible, but this idea that it was a terrible time for all and an infringement on our civil liberties is false.

I think this is a perfect illustration of how existing inequality was exacerbated during Covid.

I was classed as a key worker but not frontline or clinical so at no increased risk, I have a home office and a spare bedroom, a large garden and I live a minute away from a local nature reserve, if I was Ill my sickness pay covered my absence, we have 2 cars and a relatively young grandparent who was in our support bubble throughout.

It didn't impact me that much, but it did hugely for lots of people and it was a huge infringement on civil liberties when you think that people were routinely told at a moments notice that the law had changed and they could be criminalised for doing something that a day before was completely normal.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

So he was somewhat involved in starting Covid?

The eat out to spread it about seems at odds with supporting Amazon, Rishi will stab anyone in the back the banker that he is. The plot thickens.

Rishi Sunak: Eat Out to Help Out criticism 'doesn't quite stack up' | LBC

Rishi Sunak has defended Eat Out to Help Out amid a rise in Covid-19 cases across the UK, saying criticism of the scheme "doesn't quite stack up".

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[Jebus_lives]

The eat out to spread it about seems at odds with supporting Amazon, Rishi will stab anyone in the back the banker that he is. The plot thickens.

Rishi Sunak: Eat Out to Help Out criticism 'doesn't quite stack up' | LBC

Rishi Sunak has defended Eat Out to Help Out amid a rise in Covid-19 cases across the UK, saying criticism of the scheme "doesn't quite stack up".

www.lbc.co.uk

It all makes perfect sense if you think that the first policy was:

"it's harmless and just a flu, let's take it on the chin"

Until we realised that wasn't an option, then we bounced around trying to appease every sector/group criticising the response because they were impacted by either lockdown or opening up while trying to not cripple the health and social care system that the government and it's friends were profiteering from.

 

[Moomin]

Something of a nebulous term that. Because everyone can claim they're following the science if one outlier claims, for example, that Covid is completely harmless.

A more basic understand of public health and the role that it has in informing political decision making would be really useful.

Over the past few years we have seen attacks on scientists and experts by the right wing to push a populist agenda.

We are turning into the US of A but probably going worse

 

[Rita_Poon]

What is worth noting is the initial vaccines, remember them? How they were all perfectly safe and we were assured that the risk of not being vaccinated was significantly worse than the 'minute' risk one specific brand of vax appeared to hold.

So initial rounds of vaccines was rolled out, and come the third round one of the prior vaccines had been removed completely. No explanation, not a word regards why. No info to allay the fears some had, and to this day no one has ventured near the harms that specific brand had and when 'the science' knew to withdraw it.

All of a sudden, the brands were one fewer. Not acknowledging this (even to this day) is a self inflicted harm upon the credibility of the governance then and their scientists that help peddle that line of control.

 

[efcfanwirral]

What is worth noting is the initial vaccines, remember them? How they were all perfectly safe and we were assured that the risk of not being vaccinated was significantly worse than the 'minute' risk one specific brand of vax appeared to hold.

So initial rounds of vaccines was rolled out, and come the third round one of the prior vaccines had been removed completely. No explanation, not a word regards why. No info to allay the fears some had, and to this day no one has ventured near the harms that specific brand had and when 'the science' knew to withdraw it.

All of a sudden, the brands were one fewer. Not acknowledging this (even to this day) is a self inflicted harm upon the credibility of the governance then and their scientists that help peddle that line of control.

I think if it had been discussed more, the vast majority would've seen it like "collateral damage" / "worthy sacrifice for the greater good" so I don't think it would've made a difference.

The UK / US divide is fascinating at the moment. Over here, people can't even get a first and second if they wanted to unless clinically vulnerable, over there encouraging everyone to get a booster. Time will tell who is right of course

 

[Rita_Poon]

I asked at third and fourth vax, where was the other option that had been my only option* for the first two (I also had my paperwork) on both occasions I was informed that it had been withdrawn. My 'why?' was met with 'don't know'.
I understand the tightrope of not wanting to admit the threat from blood clots was significantly higher than had been admitted, and that to climb down over promises of safety undermined the vax program from there, but to ignore that part of the roll out and the associated untruths crushes any faith in anything they said. If that type of vax then wasn't deemed safe anymore, all recipients ought to have been written to to explain why and update the long term health possibilities that were undercut from the initial announcement.
Quite simply, is there a brain blood clot timebomb waiting out their in society? Will it manifest as an epidemic of sudden strokes? What's the timeline on any expectant risk of harm? Are measures and specialists in place if a sudden mass of brain damaged patients arrive en masse?
This lack of information and perceived lack of planning could be used by the unscrupulous to whip up a panic...

 

[COYBL25]

I asked at third and fourth vax, where was the other option that had been my only option* for the first two (I also had my paperwork) on both occasions I was informed that it had been withdrawn. My 'why?' was met with 'don't know'.
I understand the tightrope of not wanting to admit the threat from blood clots was significantly higher than had been admitted, and that to climb down over promises of safety undermined the vax program from there, but to ignore that part of the roll out and the associated untruths crushes any faith in anything they said. If that type of vax then wasn't deemed safe anymore, all recipients ought to have been written to to explain why and update the long term health possibilities that were undercut from the initial announcement.
Quite simply, is there a brain blood clot timebomb waiting out their in society? Will it manifest as an epidemic of sudden strokes? What's the timeline on any expectant risk of harm? Are measures and specialists in place if a sudden mass of brain damaged patients arrive en masse?
This lack of information and perceived lack of planning could be used by the unscrupulous to whip up a panic...

I`ve had all my jab, and I`m not anti vax in any shape or form, but the demonization of anyone, who chose not to get vaccinated, was shocking and almost became a form of state and media encouraged form of discrimination.

There was actual discussions going on, about forcibly vaccinating people against there will ffs.

I`m not talking about the right wing, 5g, tin foil hat nutters, I`m talking about people, who were " unsure " about what to do and wanted to wait and see before making a decision either way.

The myth, that was encouraged, that being vaccinated, stopped you infecting other people, should`ve been shut down immediately, but instead it was encouraged, as was the witch hunt against those who chose not get vaccinated.

Anyone, with a basic knowledge of how vaccines work, would know that they don`t stop you infecting anyone else and I can only assume that the scientific community, were either gagged or had pressure put on them, not to rectify this narrative.