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Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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luuk_deventer
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Is it also possible that the US have been labelling people dying of other things as COVID deaths too, as other countries have?
It would not be surprising if this number was revised later to something much lower. It is important to understand the true size of impact of COVID and this can not be done accurately when deaths are being categorised incorrectly.
This is possible. But it’s also possible that deaths are being under reported in the US and more generally worldwide.
You’d look to test this by looking at a comparison of recorded deaths versus the excess death rate, relative to the expected death based on an average.
The US official death toll is just under a million, whereas the central excess death rate is more like 1.2m.
Worldwide is shown below.
None of this is perfect, due to massive uncertainty, different reporting mechanisms, different sophistication of data from country to country. But it would be a mistake to just assume over-reporting.
spectateur
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Most reports suggest that as many as 90% of deaths and occupants of ic beds have not been vaccinated.
I'm certain there are some issues with for folks with debilitating comorbidities, or if you're a healthy teenager who tested positive with Covid and gets hit by a car...did those people die "of covid" or "with covid". But if we took 10,000 or 20,000 off the figure of 60,000 deaths in January would that be any better?
If anything, it is likely an underestimate based on what @Amw79 was talking about above regarding expected deaths:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00104-8
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Thankfully this is almost over...so what did we learn from 2020 and 21? What was the point...
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Yes we can suggest it's not deadly, 88 million approx were confirmed positive with covid in January in all likleyhood an awful lot more people actually had it, the official death count is also likley on the low side but not to the extreme that missed infections are.. official figures point to a 0.32% infection fatality rate in reality it's much lower. This is not a serious disease anymore and those suggesting it is are engaging in fearmongering.
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Some of the Greek alphabet!!!
There is nothing fear mongering about saying it's still deadly when 60,000 people died in the USA in one month. Yes, the case fatality rate has lowered since last year, but that doesn't contradict saying it's still deadly. And we expect the case fatality rate to decline due to vaccinations preventing deaths more effectively than preventing infection (so the former goes down faster the latter, and the case fatality rate = deaths/infections). The reason it is not fear-mongering is that the vast majority of those deaths were likely preventable since the unvaccinated comprises the bulk of them.
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Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
It's scaremongering if you don't put it in context, 60,000 in a month, you haven't provided any other information.. over a quarter of a million people die in the US every month, I'd be willing to bet a substantial sum that the vast majority of the 60,000 would have died in January regardless of pandemic.
spectateur
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It's not. It is still circulating widely.
The CDC reports covid deaths as over and above the expected death rate, this is how they can talk about "covid deaths".
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19
Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov
CharliePotato
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It’s over put it to bed now. Close thread.
spectateur
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It's not, it is still circulating widely.
will not be over until transmissions are minimised.
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