Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Goat]

I think its pointless having any restrictions any more.

What are we waiting for before we return to normal? Vaccines? Treatment? We have all that.

So what are we waiting for?

The people against returning to the old normal, at what point do we return?

 

[woomy]

I think its pointless having any restrictions any more.

What are we waiting for before we return to normal? Vaccines? Treatment? We have all that.

So what are we waiting for?

The people against returning to the old normal, at what point do we return?

For the right time to announce. Probably formally announce it when they want to sneak sommat else through or hide a story.

 

[Goat]

For the right time to announce. Probably formally announce it when they want to sneak sommat else through or hide a story.

Im ignoring the reasons hes done it, hes done it to deflect, try and ignore the timing and the reasons.

Why isnt returning to normal a good idea? And if its a bad idea, when do we do it?

 

[tsubaki]

Im ignoring the reasons hes done it, hes done it to deflect, try and ignore the timing and the reasons.

Why isnt returning to normal a good idea? And if its a bad idea, when do we do it?

When it’s appropriate to do so - doing it before or after then is absurd

 

[Goat]

When it’s appropriate to do so - doing it before or after then is absurd

And why isnt it appropriate now?

 

[spectateur]

And why isnt it appropriate now?

Cos there's a lot of infected people still around spreading the virus.

 

[Goat]

Cos there's a lot of infected people still around spreading the virus.

There always will be.

Honestly, im not anti-vax or 5g towers.

This virus is the real deal, but my point is, its never going away, so how long do we maintain restrictions? Forever?

We all put our lives on hold for 2 years and I was ok with that, I did everything I was meant to, wore a mask, restricted my movement and social dealings, took all 3 jabs as soon as offered. But we have vaccines, we have treatment, yes the virus is still around and its still as deadly, but when do we accept that its here and move on?

 

[roydo]

yes the virus is still around and its still as deadly, but when do we accept that its here and move on?

Thats me as well. We have been fixated on cases, and deaths, so much that we have forgotten that loads of folk die every day. Its an unpopular opinion, and largely unfounded, but based on real life. I have lost two extremely close folk to me in the last few months, one being well documented on here.

Neither from covid, but from various cocktails. (like most do), and the cause of death in both cases took ages to be acceptable to the various bodies who need to know. I will bet a pound to a shilling, that if either had tested positive for covid, Bingo, signed off straight away, despite their actual cocktails of causes alongside.

 

[tsubaki]

And why isnt it appropriate now?

For a couple of reasons - for a start, we aren't at the stage where the virus isn't causing significant damage; we need people to understand that if they get COVID they've got to isolate and not go to work / the pub / a packed auditorium or they will infect others and run the risk of those people getting sick / dying. Secondly we are still in a part of the pandemic where new variants of concern can still arise - getting rid of the requirement to isolate is only going to result in people catching the new variant(s), spreading it and then restrictions akin to stable doors being bolted long after the horse has run off being brought in (again).

Most of the remaining restrictions are a matter for the government to justify (as we don't have sufficient info to say one way or the other whether its bad, though I appreciate experts might), but removing the legal requirement to self-isolate when you have it is demonstrably daft and will demonstrably kill many people.

There is no legitimate reason to do it; it wasn't even something the "COVID skeptic" knobs were calling for.

 

[MikeH72]

There always will be.

Honestly, im not anti-vax or 5g towers.

This virus is the real deal, but my point is, its never going away, so how long do we maintain restrictions? Forever?

We all put our lives on hold for 2 years and I was ok with that, I did everything I was meant to, wore a mask, restricted my movement and social dealings, took all 3 jabs as soon as offered. But we have vaccines, we have treatment, yes the virus is still around and its still as deadly, but when do we accept that its here and move on?

It’s actually not, thanks to the vaccines and natural immunity.

 

[Goat]

It’s actually not, thanks to the vaccines and natural immunity.

I just wanted to express that im aware of how serious this thing is.

 

[verreauxi]

Crazy numbers still, this is January 2022:

 

[Woolly Blue]

And why isnt it appropriate now?

If we put aside our aversion to having to agree with Johnson and the Tories, not much.

There's an argument to be made that it would be good to see the number of folk in hospital with COVID at a level less than it was pre-Omicron before making isolating when infected optional, but it's not a hugely strong argument.

The only problem I can see with removing all restrictions is that, compared to slowly, over the next two or three months, easing the restrictions, it makes it difficult to reverse that decision if the situation changes. But, chances are, it's reasonably safe to remove all the legal restrictions.

It would be good to ensure that anyone infected with COVID can still claim sick pay from day one though. It'd be great if SSP was a meaningful amount as well, but it's hard to see a Tory government doing either of those.

 

[verreauxi]

We all put our lives on hold for 2 years and I was ok with that, I did everything I was meant to, wore a mask, restricted my movement and social dealings, took all 3 jabs as soon as offered. But we have vaccines, we have treatment, yes the virus is still around and its still as deadly, but when do we accept that its here and move on?

It’s actually not, thanks to the vaccines and natural immunity.

MikelsGoat is correct; it's still very deadly: 60,000 US citizens died from it alone in January 2022. Roughly 284,000 people have died world wide in January 2022. It may have a slight or no effect on you or me, but we can't suggest it's not deadly. That's just one month.

 

[MikeH72]

MikelsGoat is correct; it's still very deadly: 60,000 US citizens died from it alone in January 2022. Roughly 284,000 people have died world wide in January 2022. It may have a slight or no effect on you or me, but we can't suggest it's not deadly. That's just one month.

So do the vaccines not work then?