Well there’s plenty of data out there on vaccine safety during the trials, but I’m not gonna go down that road. My point was purely about your omission of the existence of the actual trials.
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Well there’s plenty of data out there on vaccine safety during the trials, but I’m not gonna go down that road. My point was purely about your omission of the existence of the actual trials.
luuk_deventer
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I did not say the trials did not exist. Or if I did, I did not mean to suggest that. It is more that the length, size and quality of trial is not the same as others. And the track record of the companies making them is not so good in my opinion.
These are reasonable concerns for educated people to have and they should not be shouted down, called crazy or selfish for waiting or choosing not to have it for them and their young children.
There are some reasonable people who think that, too, is crazy and selfish.
Think at the moment the people doing most of the shouting are the anti-vax folk turning up to vax centres saying they’re gonna make citizens’ arrests of medical workers and quoting weird stuff about sovereign citizens and all that guff.
Reasonable people accept the vaccine and realise the limits of their own knowledge enough to confirm to an utterly overwhelming scientific consensus. There are reasonable questions that can be asked but there is no reasonable anti-vaxxer position to take.
Been hanging out in Havana for the last month and thought my largely ignorant observations on how they are coping with coronavirus might be worth posting. Masks are still mandatory unless sat at a table eating or drinking, they are quite casual on the dance floor. All but a few arrogant Russian tourists observe this, you also have to be fully vaccinated to enter the country, again the Russians are exempt from this, and the few I spoke to seem to think getting a vaccine too much inconvenience to consider other nations healthcare systems (the concept that antivaxxers can be reasonable or unselfish is moronic to me). The masks seemed to be completely complied with without being heavily policed, there is a fine system but I never saw any aggro, though what the daft white western tourist sees isn't always the truth, though I was in old town havana not some all inclusive in varadero.
The nation is 95% fully vaccinated with those who work in tourism, healthcare or education boosted. Apparently the vaccination in schools has been the really success story with children over 5 fully vaccinated this has had massive positives in steming the spread of the virus.
All in all from what I observed Cuba looks like a success story of sorts in combating the virus as much as can be expected for a nation that has approaching 3rd world poverty, internal struggles between government and private sectors and having a superpower attempting to starve them to death for 60 years. There is Internet access here, but the likelihood of someone being gaslit by a moron like rogan into believing they are the enlightened opposition is far far less likely
The nation is 95% fully vaccinated with those who work in tourism, healthcare or education boosted. Apparently the vaccination in schools has been the really success story with children over 5 fully vaccinated this has had massive positives in steming the spread of the virus.
All in all from what I observed Cuba looks like a success story of sorts in combating the virus as much as can be expected for a nation that has approaching 3rd world poverty, internal struggles between government and private sectors and having a superpower attempting to starve them to death for 60 years. There is Internet access here, but the likelihood of someone being gaslit by a moron like rogan into believing they are the enlightened opposition is far far less likely
Thats a fair comment, i know a Russian girl who when returning home had to get 2 doses of sputnik, then when coming to Europe had to get 2 doses of Pfizer because of a lack of international cooperation, mostly from Russia.
Cuba also developed their vaccine and many others despite extreme supply restrictions that the US refused to lift in a global pandemic
Is the idea of the vaccine not just to protect individual people but rather to help control the virus in the wider population, thus reducing its impact?
Lots of people recovered from measles without drugs. However, the vaccine has meant that the overall transmission has decreased alongside the fatality rate.
While I do believe that it should be optional to take the vaccine, I am concerned about the anti-vax dogma when most of it based on dogma, if not BS.
We need 80%+ of the population to have the vaccine - pure mathematics.
ForeverBlue92
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Omicron spreads too rife with or without the vaccine.
Look at the infection numbers over winter when most adults were single or double jabbed.
Time to get on with life now - keep hands clean and wear masks when in congested areas / public transport.
It’s not about infection rates alone: it’s about hospitalisation and morality rates. I’ve had COVID twice now: first time it was terrible: second time piss easy.
It may be the antibodies from the original dose of it or it may be the two jabs and a booster; it may be a combination. Either way, it’s better.
Look at what happened without the vaccine and look at the projections without it. Science and maths, easy.
ForeverBlue92
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But most have had 2-3 doses of vaccine and millions have had COVID.
We cant keep living like we have been for the last 2 years - time to get on with life and offer annual jabs for the elderly/clinically vulnerable and move forward with the treatments we have / continue to produce.
But whilst Pfizer is making $81 billion revenues this year alone from the jabs you feel they'll be a lot of companies and groups trying to keep the status quo for their own profit margins for a while yet.
Probably with good reason, I don't really trust any government, including my own, but not to the scale of some of the badder meffs like Putin.
NathDogg
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Oh look, bongo wants to get his parties off the front pages, so now we have a "living with covid" plan and all restrictions will be lifted a month early, including no self isolation at all now?! Farce.
Absolute chancer and it's all been a load of codswallop - we should have been living with covid from bloody day one instead of them decimating the country and forcing certain professions to have to have the mandatory vaccinations or writing off billions on the inept management of the entire thing.
I hope their are full inquests and criminal prosecutions to come for this corrupt prime minister, his government and its lackeys and paid shills, including the media and the met police.
Absolute chancer and it's all been a load of codswallop - we should have been living with covid from bloody day one instead of them decimating the country and forcing certain professions to have to have the mandatory vaccinations or writing off billions on the inept management of the entire thing.
I hope their are full inquests and criminal prosecutions to come for this corrupt prime minister, his government and its lackeys and paid shills, including the media and the met police.
NathDogg
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Madness - the spread will kick off again without doubt. I can't believe he is following the science and medical advice here?
If it was so scary and life threatening how can this be a plan to live with the virus? Surely we should still self isolate if testing positive?
They seem to be completely shatting on the vulnerable and those who have previously shielded - completely no protection for them?
That's why it all feels like a complete sham to me, it's massively political and had been from day 1 in my opinion.
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