Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Or you have this study

COVID-19 Vaccine Acceptance Among Healthcare Workers in a United States Medical Center

Background The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention prioritized healthcare personnel for the first phase of COVID-19 vaccination in the United States to keep critical healthcare infrastructure open and functioning, but vaccine hesitancy may limit vaccine uptake. Objective To evaluate...

www.medrxiv.org

The reasons behind the healthcare workers’ vaccine hesitancy were varied, with the most common reasons cited being how quickly the vaccine was developed, insufficient safety and effectiveness data, a disbelief that the vaccine would protect them from COVID-19 infection, and concerns about serious side effects.

 

[Tramps_mate]

How can staff have any credibility if they don't believe something their employer has pushed enormously as both safe and effective is either safe or effective? They're clearly working for an employer who they don't believe can be trusted to do what is right with regards to people's health. I'm not sure how that can possibly be tenable.

Not necessarily. A physiotherapist maybe truly believe in what they do, but may be a bit more dubious over prescribing 'man made medicines' to everyone all the time.. People can have different beliefs without being a loony or not trusting their employee!

I for instance was very wary of having a vaccination that had no long term trials etc. The vaccines were 80-90% based on existing vaccines but then tweaked as required. I figured the benefit outweighed the risk percentage. But as we know a lot of people suffer from anxiety and also do lose rational thought quite easily. But tarring them as loonys and trouble makers doesn't help them! If they do contract covid and sadly are very ill or worse, then that is down to them and their choice. I work with people who are refusing it and it is their choice! Doesn't bother me.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Educate me on some of these other reasons.

Have you wondered why some of these highly trained medical professionals haven't jumped at getting an untrialled and untested new vaccine?

 

[MikeH72]

Now that Restrictions have eased - how are Covid infection levels-

The estimated number of people living in private households (not in hospitals, care homes and/or other communal establishments) that had COVID-19 in the most recent week was-

England – 2,633,100 people (1 in 20)
Wales – 139,000 people (1 in 20)
Northern Ireland – 136,300 people (1 in 15)
Scotland – 185,100 people (1 in 30)

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

The latest data and trends about the coronavirus (COVID-18) pandemic from the Office for National Statistics and other sources.

www.ons.gov.uk

Deaths in the UK are averaging about 260 per day, so roughly one plane crash per day.

I think that is the success that Boris is claiming, would hate to see definition of failure by the same measure...

So you mean to tell me that the figures haven’t moved despite the removing of all restrictions? Wow. What a compelling case for indefinite lockdown you’re making.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not necessarily. A physiotherapist maybe truly believe in what they do, but may be a bit more dubious over prescribing 'man made medicines' to everyone all the time.. People can have different beliefs without being a loony or not trusting their employee!

I for instance was very wary of having a vaccination that had no long term trials etc. The vaccines were 80-90% based on existing vaccines but then tweaked as required. I figured the benefit outweighed the risk percentage. But as we know a lot of people suffer from anxiety and also do lose rational thought quite easily. But tarring them as loonys and trouble makers doesn't help them! If they do contract covid and sadly are very ill or worse, then that is down to them and their choice. I work with people who are refusing it and it is their choice! Doesn't bother me.

Again, I don't believe we're talking about Joe Public here but medical professionals. The medical science sector has been quite clear that the vaccines are safe and that no shortcuts were made that run the risk of harming us (as explained in the article below), so we have a situation whereby medical professionals aren't trusting their employer when they say the vaccines are safe and effective. They're saying, sure you Cambridge clinical trial doctor, "you" say it's safe and perfectly fine, but I don't believe you.

Less than a year to develop a COVID vaccine – here’s why you shouldn’t be alarmed

Vaccines are being touted as taking seven to ten years to develop. But you shouldn’t be worried that COVID vaccines only took less than a year.

theconversation.com

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Have you wondered why some of these highly trained medical professionals haven't jumped at getting an untrialled and untested new vaccine?

Because they believe ignorant comments like that?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Because they believe ignorant comments like that?

Would you say thats an ignorant comment to the families of those who's loved ones died of blood clotting / heart inflammation from the vaccines which weren't ever picked up in the initial trials?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Would you say thats an ignorant comment to the families of those who's loved ones died of blood clotting / heart inflammation from the vaccines which weren't ever picked up in the initial trials?

Yes

U.S. Vaccine Safety - Overview, History, and How It Works | CDC

Safety is a priority during the development and use of all vaccines in the United States. Learn more about the history of vaccine safety, current safety programs, and how they work.

www.cdc.gov

Vaccines are the best defense we have against infectious diseases, but no vaccine is actually 100% safe or effective for everyone because each person’s body reacts to vaccines differently

 

[verreauxi]

It's already a .gif!

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Yes

U.S. Vaccine Safety - Overview, History, and How It Works | CDC

Safety is a priority during the development and use of all vaccines in the United States. Learn more about the history of vaccine safety, current safety programs, and how they work.

www.cdc.gov

"no vaccine is actually 100% safe or effective for everyone because each person’s body reacts to vaccines differently"

But that's the crux though mate - you can't force something on someone that could get seriously ill or worse just because the majority who take it have no problems.

 

[luuk_deventer]

Why is anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine painted as ignorant, selfish or brainwashed? It is not helpful to polarise this as such a black and white debate.

There are tens of thousands of very intelligent, qualified and good natured people who have legitimate concerns about this vaccine (not all vaccines, just this one). Everyone has a different level of risk in their individual decision, that is why it should not be forced on anyone, I think.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

"no vaccine is actually 100% safe or effective for everyone because each person’s body reacts to vaccines differently"

But that's the crux though mate - you can't force something on someone that could get seriously ill or worse just because the majority who take it have no problems.

It's not forcing it on someone, it's making it a requirement, much like countries are saying you can't enter unless you've been vaccinated. That's not forcing it on someone but rather saying if you want to do something then you have to be vaccinated. If you want to work in an influential health service role, you need to be vaccinated. Healthcare workers are already required to have the hepatitis B vaccine and are strongly encouraged to have others, such as the BCG. What you're saying is that you don't believe the medical community when they say that "this" vaccine is as safe as those vaccines.

Hepatitis B vaccine - what you need to know: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

All content below is taken in its entirety from the CDC Hepatitis B Vaccine Information Statement (VIS): www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/current-vis/hepatitis-b.html.

medlineplus.gov

As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a severe allergic reaction, other serious injury, or death.

Versus

7 Million Deaths Averted through Hepatitis B Vaccination

New data shows that hepatitis B vaccination across the Western Pacific has averted 7 million deaths1 that would have occurred among children born between 1990 and 2014. This signifies a tremendous public health achievement for the Region.

www.who.int

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It's not forcing it on someone, it's making it a requirement, much like countries are saying you can't enter unless you've been vaccinated. That's not forcing it on someone but rather saying if you want to do something then you have to be vaccinated. If you want to work in an influential health service role, you need to be vaccinated. Healthcare workers are already required to have the hepatitis B vaccine and are strongly encouraged to have others, such as the BCG. What you're saying is that you don't believe the medical community when they say that "this" vaccine is as safe as those vaccines.

Hepatitis B vaccine - what you need to know: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

All content below is taken in its entirety from the CDC Hepatitis B Vaccine Information Statement (VIS): www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/current-vis/hepatitis-b.html.

medlineplus.gov

Versus

7 Million Deaths Averted through Hepatitis B Vaccination

New data shows that hepatitis B vaccination across the Western Pacific has averted 7 million deaths1 that would have occurred among children born between 1990 and 2014. This signifies a tremendous public health achievement for the Region.

www.who.int

I could get on board with what you say if come 10-15 years down the line we've eradicated the rare adverse reactions in these jabs and know a lot more about them/the new MRNA technology but its too early in their development to be forcing it on people imo.

Personally I couldn't care less if my GP isnt jabbed.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I could get on board with what you say if come 10-15 years down the line we've eradicated the rare adverse reactions in these jabs and know a lot more about them/the new MRNA technology but its too early in their development to be forcing it on people imo.

Personally I couldn't care less if my GP isnt jabbed.

As the article below shows, reactions to vaccines don't suddenly appear 10 years after you've taken them but in a few months, so given the billions of doses that have been administered, we can be extremely confident in their safety.

Given the sheer number of vaccines administered to date, common, uncommon and rare side-effects would have been detected by now. What’s more, we’ve been testing these vaccines in clinical trials since mid-2020, and both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines have shown excellent safety results.

How do we know the COVID vaccine won’t have long-term side-effects?

Years of vaccine research tells us that, if side effects are going to occur, they normally occur within the first months after getting a vaccine.

theconversation.com