Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deckard2049]

Anybody being 'curious' about a yearly booster only needs one response.

Flu jab, has been yearly for how long, yet people still get flu. Weird isn't it this science/medical stuff!

There will be a point where it will simply become a case of getting it with, instead or an adapted vaccine that covers all bases (I am no scientist but the latter is the most logical, surely). It won't be mandatory but those in the high risk groups strongly urged to get it.

My work here do a flu jab every year, on site. Simply put your name down, get a time slot where you can stop working for 15 minutes. It doesn't even fell like you are wasting any time.

This is disingenuous though. I don’t personally agree with “well would you take x amount of jabs” line of questioning, but when has the flu jab ever been mandated to partake in leisure activities? In my age bracket (late 20’s), I don’t even know anyone who has ever had the optional flu jab. And I don’t think many of us will for decades.

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is disingenuous though. I don’t personally agree with “well would you take x amount of jabs” line of questioning, but when has the flu jab ever been mandated to partake in leisure activities? In my age bracket (late 20’s), I don’t even know anyone who has ever had the optional flu jab. And I don’t think many of us will for decades.

Tbh I’d hope that optional take up would increase in the coming years, even if not personally at risk it would help reduce the chances of a bad outcome for those that are and unfortunately kids under 5 are pretty vulnerable to seasonal flu.

Children & Influenza (Flu)

Children younger than 5 years old are at high risk of developing serious flu-related complications.

www.cdc.gov

 

[hirons11]

Serbia is a great country. Belgrade is beautiful. Much more classy then Paris and Rome in recent years. It is also my preference to visit Budapest too rather than other mainstream capitals.. The men of Serbia are very stubborn and strong willed.

Their country was occupied for over 500 years, their is kinda like a siege mentality of their people and it is highly a militarized population. It is the most right wing country on earth. Not for everyones taste.

It’s probably that right wing aspect that doesn’t sit comfortably with me then. Thanks for the other insight though, always good to keep an open mind when generally looking in from a point of ignorance.

 

[hirons11]

Welp, sounds like the last week of May and first in June just opened wide up on Novak’s calendar.

Plenty of time for him to fake some vaccinations (endorsed by the Serbian Government)

 

[wandyr79]

This is disingenuous though. I don’t personally agree with “well would you take x amount of jabs” line of questioning, but when has the flu jab ever been mandated to partake in leisure activities? In my age bracket (late 20’s), I don’t even know anyone who has ever had the optional flu jab. And I don’t think many of us will for decades.

Yes, vaccine mandates are in place but we all know that it is temporary. The goal is to get to the point where it is not mandatory and it is treated the same as the flu jab. However, there might be more people who opt in for the optional jab as this period in history has made us look at viruses and flu in a different way, well most people anyway.

For me, that is the goal. I wouldn't agree with a lifetime of forcing people to have the jab to be able to travel or to get into restaurant. I can't see that happening or being allowed to go happen. A temporary means to an end I see all I to should be seen as.

 

[Deckard2049]

Tbh I’d hope that optional take up would increase in the coming years, even if not personally at risk it would help reduce the chances of a bad outcome for those that are and unfortunately kids under 5 are pretty vulnerable to seasonal flu.

Children & Influenza (Flu)

Children younger than 5 years old are at high risk of developing serious flu-related complications.

www.cdc.gov

Not sure what it’s like in the US, but I can’t ever remember seeing a big public flu jab drive here in the UK. Nothing compared to the media machine that has been in overdrive with the covid jabs (understandably obviously).

 

[Deckard2049]

All Covid restrictions in England could end in March under No 10 plans

Guidance may replace legal requirements as Boris Johnson indicates UK must now live with the virus

www.theguardian.com

No idea why this plan is called “operation red meat”, but there you go.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Not sure what it’s like in the US, but I can’t ever remember seeing a big public flu jab drive here in the UK. Nothing compared to the media machine that has been in overdrive with the covid jabs (understandably obviously).

They do make quite a big push here at the start of the flu season, least the places I have lived. Adverts about jab availability at all the supermarkets and if you happen to have a doctors visit then it is always brought up as a topic and an offer made to have it there and then.

Quite a few of the larger companies have a onsite session too - makes financial sense for them as a lot of health coverage is via employer so suspect that it reduces their insurance rates in addition to the absenteeism.

 

[LostLegend]

Matt le Tissier and DJ Lange on Twitter there trying to convince Gary Lineker that the COVID vaccine is a government conspiracy to alter our DNA by telling him to listen to the Joe Rogan podcast… ?

 

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Deaths and hospitalization rates compared to cases have dramatically lowered in Israel waves since vaccination became available

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Tbf so it should with every wave becoming a weaker strain.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Tbf so it should with every wave becoming a weaker strain.

Not every strain has been weaker although thankfully Omicron does appear to have changes that mean it attacks the lungs less.

However Delta was not only more transmissible than wild strain it was more virulent too

COVID-19: Symptoms, incubation, prevention, and more

COVID-19 is a highly contagious infectious disease resulting from a recently identified coronavirus. Learn to curb its spread and more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The present study found that all VOCs increased people’s risk of hospitalization, ICU admission, and death due to COVID-19.

However, the highest risks were from the Delta variant. In the Delta cases, there was a 108% increase in the risk of hospitalization, a 235% increased risk of ICU admission, and a 133% higher risk of death, compared with the original variant.

These effects were present even when the researchers adjusted the data for factors such as age, sex, vaccination status, and comorbidities.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Limited cross-variant immunity after infection with the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant without vaccination

SARS-CoV-2 Delta and Omicron strains are the most globally relevant variants of concern (VOCs). While individuals infected with Delta are at risk to develop severe lung disease[1][1], Omicron infection causes less severe disease, mostly upper respiratory symptoms[2][2],[3][3]. The question...

www.medrxiv.org

SARS-CoV-2 Delta and Omicron strains are the most globally relevant variants of concern (VOCs). While individuals infected with Delta are at risk to develop severe lung disease, Omicron infection causes less severe disease, mostly upper respiratory symptoms. The question arises whether rampant spread of Omicron could lead to mass immunization, accelerating the end of the pandemic.

Here we show that infection with Delta, but not Omicron, induces broad immunity in mice. While sera from Omicron-infected mice only neutralize Omicron, sera from Delta-infected mice are broadly effective against Delta and other VOCs, including Omicron. This is not observed with the WA1 ancestral strain, although both WA1 and Delta elicited a highly pro-inflammatory cytokine response and replicated to similar titers in the respiratory tracts and lungs of infected mice as well as in human airway organoids.

Pulmonary viral replication, pro-inflammatory cytokine expression, and overall disease progression are markedly reduced with Omicron infection. Analysis of human sera from Omicron and Delta breakthrough cases reveals effective cross-variant neutralization induced by both viruses in vaccinated individuals. Together, our results indicate that Omicron infection enhances preexisting immunity elicited by vaccines, but on its own may not induce broad, cross-neutralizing humoral immunity in unvaccinated individuals.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Interesting comment from one of the top dogs in the COVID advisory board to the UK government RE our future response:

"In a bad flu season, 200-300 die a day over winter and nobody wears a mask or socially distances, that's perhaps a right line to draw in the sand."

Hopefully 2022 is the start of common sense and we treat the new less desdly strain as we do the Flu (but more cautious obviously).

Been saying this for ages..

Some years we have 40,000 flu deaths and no one bats an eye lid!!


This article does pose some questions about historical 'flu's'.. Were they Corona viruses like we have now?

1968 flu pandemic | History, Deaths, & Facts | Britannica

1968 flu pandemic, global outbreak of influenza that originated in China in July 1968 and lasted until 1969–70, killing between one and four million people. The 1968 pandemic was initiated by the emergence of a virus known as influenza A subtype H3N2.

www.britannica.com

 

[tsubaki]

Been saying this for ages..

Some years we have 40,000 flu deaths and no one bats an eye lid!!


This article does pose some questions about historical 'flu's'.. Were they Corona viruses like we have now?

1968 flu pandemic | History, Deaths, & Facts | Britannica

1968 flu pandemic, global outbreak of influenza that originated in China in July 1968 and lasted until 1969–70, killing between one and four million people. The 1968 pandemic was initiated by the emergence of a virus known as influenza A subtype H3N2.

www.britannica.com

Or we could just look to cut the numbers of people who die unnecessarily from flu?

 

[grandjoeblue]

Or we could just look to cut the numbers of people who die unnecessarily from flu?

Flu vaccine should be free for all then.