Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don't think it's ignorance, per se. I think it's trickling down from the top that England isn't going to implement restrictions so it's time to battle on through.

It’s because Boris knows he doesn’t have the support of his party to implement restrictions, so if he puts them in place and then doesn’t get them past parliament, that’s the end of him as prime minister. Just a weak man hiding from statesmanship many people will now die unnecessarily because of weakness in leadership.

 

[woomy]

Wow almost double the sickness rate in the NHS higher than any other point in the pandemic. Basically don't get ill or accident with anything that require hospitalization.

NHS struggles as sickness takes out 1 in 10 staff

More than 110,000 NHS staff — nearly one in 10 — were absent on New Year’s Eve, according to figures showing that Covid is hitting healthcare far harder than pr

www.thetimes.co.uk

No room at the inn if you require critical care for any reason...

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I can tell you now, a lot of those staff absences were bogus.
I called it a bit back. Xmas and NY, staff would fail lateral and then get a negative PCR and be back at work for bank holiday pay.
And so it transpired. We had loads off over Xmas and NY. Funnily enough the vast majority back by the Sundays.
Spoke with friends who work across other hospitals and specialites. Same thing.
We even had over 100 bank shifts out that didn't get picked up. Over day and night shifts. We were at the point wards were running on dangerous numbers. I actually got to work with the big boss one day for a few hours. It was that bad.
Sunday came, overflowing with staff. As people picked the bank up and staff were back with negative PCR and laterals and no symptoms.

Some staff just took the preverbial, and some had just had enough working silly hours and decided to spend time with family. Then back for the money shifts.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Oh great. Now the Israelies are reporting 'Flurona'... Flu and Corona at the same time..

lol lol lol

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Then watch how we get told. Oh this works, we can save some money here. 1 teacher watching over teacher assistants in a 2 classes. Throw in some student teachers as well for work experience.

It was done with nursing. So there is form for this type of nonsense.

There is element of Tory that have the strings of government firmly wrapped round their right hands that don't believe in public services, or support, or even society. You're on you own. Over the coming years, many more will come to realise what that means to be individual in their ideologue world.
Over the coming weeks, I fear our NHS will be pushed far beyond breaking point. Anyone who's paying attention and has element of empathy already knows how grave the situation is.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

NSO too should be thread banned imo, all he does is spreading fear among Brits.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I can tell you now, a lot of those staff absences were bogus.
I called it a bit back. Xmas and NY, staff would fail lateral and then get a negative PCR and be back at work for bank holiday pay.
And so it transpired. We had loads off over Xmas and NY. Funnily enough the vast majority back by the Sundays.
Spoke with friends who work across other hospitals and specialites. Same thing.
We even had over 100 bank shifts out that didn't get picked up. Over day and night shifts. We were at the point wards were running on dangerous numbers. I actually got to work with the big boss one day for a few hours. It was that bad.
Sunday came, overflowing with staff. As people picked the bank up and staff were back with negative PCR and laterals and no symptoms.

Some staff just took the preverbial, and some had just had enough working silly hours and decided to spend time with family. Then back for the money shifts.

Got a manger just like you, I've told them i'm not going to protect them any longer 3 times they have tried to get staff to work after seeing their LFTs, not a clear solid clear line on the C, some discoloration on the T. It's negative there is line inn the C. All three have had positive PCRs, all three would have worked until said test. Anecdotal evidence works both ways. Just I have no interest in being popular and following a particular narrative.

 

[woomy]

There is element of Tory that have the strings of government firmly wrapped round their right hands that don't believe in public services, or support, or even society. You're on you own. Over the coming years, many more will come to realise what that means to be individual in their ideologue world.
Over the coming weeks, I fear our NHS will be pushed far beyond breaking point. Anyone who's paying attention and has element of empathy already knows how grave the situation is.

Oh yeah. The wards are on there arse with staffing levels, before sickness is taken into account. But I don't think they will break. We will muddle through as always and the general public will be non the wiser.
Wards will be combined, so all wards are that have patients will be full. Close wards for a bit and redeploy staff. Non urgent cancelled and staff redeployed etc.

The real problem is in the spring onwards, whe. We have to play catch up again. Staff will be burned out. Sickness will be up and we have to try to put a dent into waiting lists.
I feelz an obscene amount of money is gonna have to be thrown at recruitment and retention to ease it. Or else we will see major issues. I don't think it will be in a few weeks. It will be in a few months and the years to come. People will be dying through issues that should be getting sorted now. Staff will be leaving or going on 6 month work related stress sickness. It's the future where I am really concerned about.
The next few months the NHS will muddle through. It's what happens after that.

 

[COYBL25]

I can tell you now, a lot of those staff absences were bogus.
I called it a bit back. Xmas and NY, staff would fail lateral and then get a negative PCR and be back at work for bank holiday pay.
And so it transpired. We had loads off over Xmas and NY. Funnily enough the vast majority back by the Sundays.
Spoke with friends who work across other hospitals and specialites. Same thing.
We even had over 100 bank shifts out that didn't get picked up. Over day and night shifts. We were at the point wards were running on dangerous numbers. I actually got to work with the big boss one day for a few hours. It was that bad.
Sunday came, overflowing with staff. As people picked the bank up and staff were back with negative PCR and laterals and no symptoms.

Some staff just took the preverbial, and some had just had enough working silly hours and decided to spend time with family. Then back for the money shifts.

My missus boss ( senior Band 8 ) is now on her third virus related time off.

All coincided with weekends, Mondays or periods of leave.

Two have been for “ I’ve got some of the symptoms I’d better stay off - even though LF tests have been negative.

She’s messaged this morning, to say she’s taking the week off, as LF test showed a “ faint “ line and can’t get a PCR test, so it’s better to be safe ( again )

Coincidentally, she’s got a full weeks leave next week.

So all in all she will have had the best part of three weeks off, in the past 12 mths, being safe, rather than sorry.

 

[woomy]

Got a manger just like you, I've told them i'm not going to protect them any longer 3 times they have tried to get staff to work after seeing their LFTs, not a clear solid clear line on the C, some discoloration on the T. All three have had positive PCRs, all three would have worked while waiting said test. Anecdotal evidence works both ways. Just I have no interest in being popular and following a particular narrative.

I have never claimed to be trying to be popular or following a narrative.
I said many were bogus, and they were. That doesn't mean all. Of course people were sick. But many were not.
But you gonnon the attack and read into what you want and believe what you want.
Like I have said before. People are entitled to their opinion. I don't have to agree or respect it. So you believe what you want.
Never once said about managers pressuring people to come in. Far from it. We don't do that in our service. You say you are ill, or failed a test. Fine. Your off.

Slight edit to that.
Management do try to get staff back quickly, and pressure to get tested often if you are off. But that is because we are on our arse, staffing wise. So the minute somebody can legally come back, they try and make sure they are back.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I have never claimed to be trying to be popular or following a narrative.
I said many were bogus, and they were. That doesn't mean all. Of course people were sick. But many were not.
But you gonnon the attack and read into what you want and believe what you want.
Like I have said before. People are entitled to their opinion. I don't have to agree or respect it. So you believe what you want.

You went on the attack about benefits previously the softest of targets. Now public sector workers on their cushy full paid sickness and money shifts . If it talks and walks it probably is been around forum debate longer enough to note the trojan...

 

[woomy]

You went on the attack about benefits previously the softest of targets. Now public sector workers on their cushy full paid sickness and money shifts . If it talks and walks it probably is been around forum debate longer enough to note the trojan...

Not gone on the attack at all.
I don't begrudge anybody sick pay, and enhanced money on shifts.i work for the NHS, I get those employment benefits. I have made use of those benefits. I whole heartedly agree those benif should be in place. What did day I was some staff took the Mick, and they did.
Looks like your are looking for an argument and twisting words to suit your need for said arguement and disagreement. And the benefits attack was as you know was aimed at mental health patients who are in a secure units probs for many years , being given money, which they do not need and those funds can be utilised somewhere else.
So carry on and believe what you want.
You won't get an argument from me and will be the last I say on the matter with you.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I have never claimed to be trying to be popular or following a narrative.
I said many were bogus, and they were. That doesn't mean all. Of course people were sick. But many were not.
But you gonnon the attack and read into what you want and believe what you want.
Like I have said before. People are entitled to their opinion. I don't have to agree or respect it. So you believe what you want.
Never once said about managers pressuring people to come in. Far from it. We don't do that in our service. You say you are ill, or failed a test. Fine. Your off.

Slight edit to that.
Management do try to get staff back quickly, and pressure to get tested often if you are off. But that is because we are on our arse, staffing wise. So the minute somebody can legally come back, they try and make sure they are back.

Someone I work with went off with suspected covid back in August and it turned out to be fine so they were back in the next week (no idea why they were allowed to take the week off).

Month later when some holidays went in for a couple of the team, off they went again, suspected covid. Test came back negative, then the excuse was a bug they can't get rid of. They still haven't come back.

There's a deeper reason I'm sure why they haven't come back but both times they used covid as a reason to go off in the first place.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Oh yeah. The wards are on there arse with staffing levels, before sickness is taken into account. But I don't think they will break. We will muddle through as always and the general public will be non the wiser.
Wards will be combined, so all wards are that have patients will be full. Close wards for a bit and redeploy staff. Non urgent cancelled and staff redeployed etc.

The real problem is in the spring onwards, whe. We have to play catch up again. Staff will be burned out. Sickness will be up and we have to try to put a dent into waiting lists.
I feelz an obscene amount of money is gonna have to be thrown at recruitment and retention to ease it. Or else we will see major issues. I don't think it will be in a few weeks. It will be in a few months and the years to come. People will be dying through issues that should be getting sorted now. Staff will be leaving or going on 6 month work related stress sickness. It's the future where I am really concerned about.
The next few months the NHS will muddle through. It's what happens after that.

Is private an option or does that just make it worse by prioritising those same NHS staff for those with money? I assume we're heading for a hybrid model but is the private resource even available (and separate) to facilitate that?

 

[tsubaki]

My missus boss ( senior Band 8 ) is now on her third virus related time off.

All coincided with weekends, Mondays or periods of leave.

Two have been for “ I’ve got some of the symptoms I’d better stay off - even though LF tests have been negative.

She’s messaged this morning, to say she’s taking the week off, as LF test showed a “ faint “ line and can’t get a PCR test, so it’s better to be safe ( again )

Coincidentally, she’s got a full weeks leave next week.

So all in all she will have had the best part of three weeks off, in the past 12 mths, being safe, rather than sorry.

This sort of thing is yet another reason why we really should have had a much more organized testing system - businesses and employers need to know quickly if someone is positive, as does the NHS and the government. By outsourcing the responsibility for everything to the individual it has encouraged both this sort of behaviour, as well as encouraged employers into their default belief that people are taking the piss and making people with symptoms go to work.

 

[woomy]

Someone I work with went off with suspected covid back in August and it turned out to be fine so they were back in the next week (no idea why they were allowed to take the week off).

Month later when some holidays went in for a couple of the team, off they went again, suspected covid. Test came back negative, then the excuse was a bug they can't get rid of. They still haven't come back.

There's a deeper reason I'm sure why they haven't come back but both times they used covid as a reason to go off in the first place.

Yep. It is an easy one to say. I have COVID, then take some time off.
Of course if you have it, take the time off. If you have a bug, take time off. If there is another reason you need to take time off, then take it off.
I think something like this goes both ways. Yes some take the Mick. But then You have some, who should be off but just dont. We all know people who work through anything. COVID now gives people a reason. An easy out to take that time.If they have it or dont and they need to take time off. That is fine with me. Take the time off. Your health and mental well-being is more important than your job.
Some don't want the stigma off needing time off for certain reasons.
If using the excuse of COVID gets them that time off without it going down as something else. Then fair enough. It's the ones who just take time off for a random few days or week off, that wind me up.

But people who are genuinely not fit for work. If using COVID as an excuse gets you the time off you need. Crack on. I hope they get themselves sorted.