Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

 

[WA Toffee]

Ah, really interesting, as I thought the argument might have been - “the vaxxed patient has a higher chance of survival, therefore prioritise the treatment of the vaxxed”. But, as I’ve previously said, I will leave those decisions to those better qualified.

I would imagine (and hope) any doctor would prioritise the person who requires their help the most at any point in time, regardless of whether they are vaxxed or not.

 

[WA Toffee]

I think you’re being too dismissive of dholliday’s incredible source who gave us such narrative-piercing commentary such as;



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Don’t trust science sheeple! listen to these ‘sages’ (gettit?) on Twitter.

Well, she's won me over. It's obvious she has spent years researching and cross checking everything

 

[verreauxi]

So one person getting seriously ill or worse from a jab who would have normally had mild symptoms from COVID is sound?

Koff lad you're utterly brainwashed!

Read the academic literature on those who've had blod clots, myocarditis, Pericarditis, strokes, GCA, Vasculitis, Gullian Barre Syndrome etc from the jabs but you need to do a bit of digging for that as the MSM doesn't like broadcasting that just Covid case numbers without context lol

Obviously, hundreds of people getting obliterated in a plane crash does not mean we should abandon air travel. All meta-analyses published about mRNA-vaccine side-effects for Covid show that the major ailments/side-effects are extremely rare, just like plane crashes. This is reported here, and here, and here, and here.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Obviously, hundreds of people getting obliterated in a plane crash does not mean we should abandon air travel. All meta-analyses published about mRNA-vaccine side-effects for Covid show that the major ailments/side-effects are extremely rare, just like plane crashes. This is reported here, and here, and here, and here.

Right, if you're looking at a 1/100 risk of death and, say, a 3 or 4 in 100 of long-term disability, a series of 1 in 1,000,000 risks that adds up to a 1/10000 to 1/100000 meaningful downside risk on the vaccine is a really easy call. Even if you're in a lower risk class as an adult, there really isn't an argument against the vaccine on relative risks when the gap is that wide.

This is why we've proceeded so carefully on kids - their relative risk of death/disability appears to be considerably lower, so a vaccine wasn't necessarily the no-brainer that it is with adults. Generating data on a safe amount of vaccine that is both effective and low-risk took some time.

Even with Omicron's seemingly lower virulence and apparent immune escape, the chasm between the relative risks started out wide enough that the vaccine remains easy for health care professionals to recommend.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So one person getting seriously ill or worse from a jab who would have normally had mild symptoms from COVID is sound?

Koff lad you're utterly brainwashed!

Read the academic literature on those who've had blod clots, myocarditis, Pericarditis, strokes, GCA, Vasculitis, Gullian Barre Syndrome etc from the jabs but you need to do a bit of digging for that as the MSM doesn't like broadcasting that just Covid case numbers without context lol

The NHS is mainstream media now? And like you've read a single academic paper in your whole life. Get in the bin.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[TN Toffee]

Right, if you're looking at a 1/100 risk of death and, say, a 3 or 4 in 100 of long-term disability, a series of 1 in 1,000,000 risks that adds up to a 1/10000 to 1/100000 meaningful downside risk on the vaccine is a really easy call. Even if you're in a lower risk class as an adult, there really isn't an argument against the vaccine on relative risks when the gap is that wide.

The mental gymnastics that the anti vaxxers are engaging in is wild. 1% chance of dying from COVID, “That’s almost nothing, I’ll continue living my life as if there’s no threat.” 0.000001% chance of a bad outcome from vaccination, “OMG, people are dropping like flies from these vaccines, don’t get that poison anywhere near me!!”

 

[JimmyJeffers]

How are you reading this academic literature?

You have to pay to read academic journals and the service costs £1000's a year. They are also very difficult to read to a person not skilled in that profession

Groogle is your friend

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Google is your friend and im not talking conspiracy theorist nonsense on reddit or FB im talking academic articles from medical specialists.

This is the problem COVID isn't driven by science anymore its driven by politics, by the media, by Karens on opinion polls shitting themselves after watching ITV news telling her she's going to die an excruciating painful death if she doesn't get her booster jab 3 months after her last one.

If you asked scientists 12 months ago does a 25 year old need 3 jabs in the space of 6 months instead of giving said jab to countries that haven't much supply and need them urgently you would have been laughed at yet here we are pumping everyone left right and centre with emergency authorised medicine even if they dont necessarily need it to avoid serious illness.

I think you should apologise for scaremongering and making things up on the internet

 

[Martin Alvito]

The mental gymnastics that the anti vaxxers are engaging in is wild. 1% chance of dying from COVID, “That’s almost nothing, I’ll continue living my life as if there’s no threat.” 0.000001% chance of a bad outcome from vaccination, “OMG, people are dropping like flies from these vaccines, don’t get that poison anywhere near me!!”

Weird form of prospect theory, if you ask me. We see it in other areas, though, such as the perception that airplanes are more dangerous than automobiles because the accidents are well-publicized.

 

[Seanjd]

I think you’re being too dismissive of dholliday’s incredible source who gave us such narrative-piercing commentary such as;



or



Don’t trust science sheeple! listen to these ‘sages’ (gettit?) on Twitter.

Not fair that mate, he did post analysis from Russel Brand as well.

 

[TN Toffee]

Weird form of prospect theory, if you ask me. We see it in other areas, though, such as the perception that airplanes are more dangerous than automobiles because the accidents are well-publicized.

True. Although, it’s not like the COVID deaths haven’t made the news.

 

[Tipp blue]

This is massive, if it turns out to be true then it's over, a small fraction of those who catch covid end up in hospital if the chances of ending up in hospital are reduced by near 70% then they can't possibly keep restrictions and lockdowns up for much longer, this coupled with the anti viral medication that's about to come along means that there's pretty much nothing to worry about.. the only thing that will drag this thing on for much longer is positive cases having to isolate, people staying at home with a runny nose, sore throat or headache needs to be binned that's the biggest issue facing health services now, the danger from the disease is no longer the biggest threat to normality returning, it's media, government and experts enjoying their time in the spotlight a little too much and not wanting to step away from it.

 

[tsubaki]

This is massive, if it turns out to be true then it's over, a small fraction of those who catch covid end up in hospital if the chances of ending up in hospital are reduced by near 70% then they can't possibly keep restrictions and lockdowns up for much longer, this coupled with the anti viral medication that's about to come along means that there's pretty much nothing to worry about.. the only thing that will drag this thing on for much longer is positive cases having to isolate, people staying at home with a runny nose, sore throat or headache needs to be binned that's the biggest issue facing health services now, the danger from the disease is no longer the biggest threat to normality returning, it's media, government and experts enjoying their time in the spotlight a little too much and not wanting to step away from it.

well done on having learned absolutely nothing from two years,170,000 dead and several trillion pound