Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

interesting thread, good to see that model

LFTs, more often than not (obviously there are exceptions) pick up the virus when you have enough of a viral load to be a danger to others. Obviously doesn't mean you are definitely not infectious beforehand but there is a good chance you aren't.

Using successive LFs definitely seems the way to go to keep key workers (well, anyone, but key workers especially) from having to isolate for 10 days.

Which makes it pretty stupid that up until the last week they cost between $15-$25 for two here in the US

 

[BlueToff]

Which makes it pretty stupid that up until the last week they cost between $15-$25 for two here in the US

mad!

So my mate who came back from the Netherlands - I went out with him and his girlfriend this evening. Was surprised to learn that in the Netherlands they have to pay for the rapid tests too - or should I say they were more surprised that we get the rapid tests for free here and can just order them out. They said they cost a fiver for one test there.

 

[coollino]

So one person getting seriously ill or worse from a jab who would have normally had mild symptoms from COVID is sound?

Koff lad you're utterly brainwashed!

Read the academic literature on those who've had blod clots, myocarditis, Pericarditis, strokes, GCA, Vasculitis, Gullian Barre Syndrome etc from the jabs but you need to do a bit of digging for that as the MSM doesn't like broadcasting that just Covid case numbers without context lol

How are you reading this academic literature?

You have to pay to read academic journals and the service costs £1000's a year. They are also very difficult to read to a person not skilled in that profession

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[WA Toffee]

...and finally...just a thought:

No, we call those people scientists.

 

[Amw79]

Hey LL, so, I’ve only speed read that, but is the general princ!iple here that US doctors would treat the unvaxxed as a priority over the vaxxed, due to the proximate need? ( I.e. They’re more likely to to die right here and now): (Have I read that right?). I can get behind that, if that weighing of that principle has been weighed against likelihood of survival (I,e. On average, over a period) etc. But ultimately, im relieved to let the medical people make those decisions, as im glad I don’t have to.

 

[Neiler]

hahaha

(was just gonna do the emoticon, but that genuinely made me laugh a lot).

FFS one variant a time. lol

 

[Amw79]

No, we call those people scientists.

I think you’re being too dismissive of dholliday’s incredible source who gave us such narrative-piercing commentary such as;



or



Don’t trust science sheeple! listen to these ‘sages’ (gettit?) on Twitter.

 

[Amw79]

FFS one variant a time. lol

Heh heh.

The killer will be the Decepticon!

 

[Neiler]

Heh heh.

The killer will be the Decepticon!

We really should start naming variants after Saturday morning cartoons, just for the craic.

The Thundercat variant
The He-Man variant
The Inspector Gadget Variant.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Hey LL, so, I’ve only speed read that, but is the general princ!iple here that US doctors would treat the unvaxxed as a priority over the vaxxed, due to the proximate need? ( I.e. They’re more likely to to die right here and now): (Have I read that right?). I can get behind that, if that weighing of that principle has been weighed against likelihood of survival (I,e. On average, over a period) etc. But ultimately, im relieved to let the medical people make those decisions, as im glad I don’t have to.

Yep that is my understanding. So if two identical 75 year old twins showed up at ER with covid in bad shape with one vaxxed and the other unvaccinated but there was only one treatment available then the unvaccinated twin would receive it as statistically they have significantly (!) more risk of a severe outcome.

“The Panel prioritized the following risk groups for anti-SARS-CoV-2 mAb therapy based on 4 key elements: age, vaccination status, immune status, and clinical risk factors. The groups are listed by tier in descending order of priority.”

Tier	Risk Group
1	Immunocompromised individuals not expected to mount an adequate immune response to COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection due to their underlying conditions, regardless of vaccine status (see Immunocompromising Conditions below); or Unvaccinated individuals at the highest risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥75 years or anyone aged ≥65 years with additional risk factors).
2	Unvaccinated individuals at risk of severe disease not included in Tier 1 (anyone aged ≥65 years or anyone aged <65 years with clinical risk factors)
3	Vaccinated individuals at high risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥75 years or anyone aged ≥65 years with clinical risk factors) Note: Vaccinated individuals who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose are likely at higher risk for severe disease; patients in this situation within this tier should be prioritized for treatment.
4	Vaccinated individuals at risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥65 years or anyone aged <65 with clinical risk factors) Note: Vaccinated individuals who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose are likely at higher risk for severe disease; patients in this situation within this tier should be prioritized for treatment.

 

[LinekersLegs]

@Neiler more Trev!

 

[Amw79]

Yep that is my understanding. So if two identical 75 year old twins showed up at ER with covid in bad shape with one vaxxed and the other unvaccinated but there was only one treatment available then the unvaccinated twin would receive it as statistically they have significantly (!) more risk of a severe outcome.

“The Panel prioritized the following risk groups for anti-SARS-CoV-2 mAb therapy based on 4 key elements: age, vaccination status, immune status, and clinical risk factors. The groups are listed by tier in descending order of priority.”

Tier	Risk Group
1	Immunocompromised individuals not expected to mount an adequate immune response to COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection due to their underlying conditions, regardless of vaccine status (see Immunocompromising Conditions below); or Unvaccinated individuals at the highest risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥75 years or anyone aged ≥65 years with additional risk factors).
2	Unvaccinated individuals at risk of severe disease not included in Tier 1 (anyone aged ≥65 years or anyone aged <65 years with clinical risk factors)
3	Vaccinated individuals at high risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥75 years or anyone aged ≥65 years with clinical risk factors) Note: Vaccinated individuals who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose are likely at higher risk for severe disease; patients in this situation within this tier should be prioritized for treatment.
4	Vaccinated individuals at risk of severe disease (anyone aged ≥65 years or anyone aged <65 with clinical risk factors) Note: Vaccinated individuals who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose are likely at higher risk for severe disease; patients in this situation within this tier should be prioritized for treatment.

Ah, really interesting, as I thought the argument might have been - “the vaxxed patient has a higher chance of survival, therefore prioritise the treatment of the vaxxed”. But, as I’ve previously said, I will leave those decisions to those better qualified.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ah, really interesting, as I thought the argument might have been - “the vaxxed patient has a higher chance of survival, therefore prioritise the treatment of the vaxxed”. But, as I’ve previously said, I will leave those decisions to those better qualified.

Me too and as you previously said I don’t envy them the decision making, would really mess with my head.

 

[Rook]

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