Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I can't bear the assumption that lies behind these tweets that the safest thing is to lockdown. And that pushing not to lockdown may be 'gambling'.
if these vaccines are only providing a few months protection then what is the bloody point of locking down when the virus will just wait it out and we'll have to lock down again a few months later, and a hundred billion lighter.
He’s a German scientist so is coming at this from a German perspective. They have less vaccinations and less boosters than us. He also never mentions a lockdown. He talks about being prepared and not reacting after the result. Which is a sensible approach.
 
He’s a German scientist so is coming at this from a German perspective. They have less vaccinations and less boosters than us. He also never mentions a lockdown. He talks about being prepared and not reacting after the result. Which is a sensible approach.
no not specifically. but in this climate we can all read between the lines. And whether he is in Germany or here, the arguments are broadly the same.
 
I have no appetite for lockdown now.

Just get jabs in arms and let us watch our gigs ffs.

Damn those unvaccinated swine to hell.

Cut several friends out of my life because of their anti vacc nonsense.

How does this have anything whatsoever to do with unvaccinated people? You think if 100% of the population was vaccinated we’d be free from lockdowns? Gibraltar is 100% vaccinated and they cancelled Christmas weeks ago.
 
How does this have anything whatsoever to do with unvaccinated people? You think if 100% of the population was vaccinated we’d be free from lockdowns?

I think we'd lock down less and softer yes.

These anti vacc vermin are bed blocking decent people, the reason we are locking down potentially is the impact on services.
 
I think we'd lock down less and softer yes.

These anti vacc vermin are bed blocking decent people, the reason we are locking down potentially is the impact on services.

Wow ok, you appear to have swallowed so much fascist Twitter bile and gone off the deep end here. Maybe it’s for the best for those people that you’ve cut them out of your life, I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone like you. Have any of those unvaccinated friends actually taken up a hospital bed at any point?
 
Background: I have a PhD in Biological Sciences, where I analysed omics' data to determine novel biomarkers for respiratory disease. During the start of the pandemic I worked on behalf of a University building systems for the Welsh NHS that enabled clinical research nurses a method to electronically store COVID samples electronically for future biobank use.

I started my new role as an Advanced Data Analyst for a Welsh health-board earlier this year. I'm directly involved in the modelling of COVID, and in the provision of analytics to the Welsh Assembly Government.

From our point of view, we always try and avoid intervention / restriction / lockdown. In our modelling we account for likely mental health damage to the public, and whether - using our own recorded data - people are likely to respect said government sanctioned actions if needed. We are instructed to look well beyond restrictions for potential solutions, and over the past year we have done everything in our power to ensure that every other precaution is taken prior to nodding toward the viewpoint you've stated above.


None of our modelling indicates that another lockdown will do "considerably more societal damage" than what's currently being modelled with Omicron. I converse regularly with both private and publically-funded public health data analysts across the UK, and whilst the mental health aspect of lockdown has obviously been an issue - it's nothing compared to what all of our indicators are currently telling us.

I would push back on the assumption that we're "too quick to call for restrictions". We've practically allowed COVID to rip throughout the UK because of the aforementioned costs associated to mental health and public acceptability, taking huge precautions with cancellation of elective surgery and routine checkups. From a public health standpoint - sacrifices have already been made.

Moreover, the debate within the community is highly varied - it's by no means a nodding dog contest.

Up until recently we've pushed back and had push back for our analyses - and this is fine - it's science, expect criticism. But what's important to understand is that we're in a very different place today than we were before Omicron was first found. The work shown during Whitty and co's presentation was of the 'glass half-full' variety, and that was outright dreadful regardless.

And of course, take up the vaccine. Everyone should take up a vaccine when offered to them.
Of course there are arguments for both.

But I’m going to put ALOT more weight behind the opinion of someone who is qualified in the field, has real world experience of the issue, has worked on the front line of this and has navigated the pandemic and clearly has expertise on the matter.

Over someone who basically has access to the internet.

It would be irrational not to. Yes, qualified people can make mistakes, everyone is human. But, you have to accept expertise and know that they are coming from a place that is much more informed than anyone else.

And that should be valued.

I’m not quite sure how we got to a place where it doesn’t seem to be any longer. I guess it’s just the Internet and access to lots of information and the dunning Kruger effect.
I'm not understanding the modelling that is being carried out here. The impact of lockdown cuts across every aspect of society, the economy, education, not just mental health. Are we saying that modelling has been carried out across all sectors and that this modelling indicates that it won't be nearly as bas as last time? If so, I 'll be blowed if I know why, if everywhere is locked down for another few months.
It seems to me it is not for the scientists to make this assessment in any event.. You have experts from each field giving their input, and then the politicians decide. The reason for this being, the scientist advising on covid is only ever going to advise caution cos that's the only exposure for him if things go sideways..
 
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