Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Likewise. We’re touch and go if family can come for Xmas. Her isolation ends before Xmas, but if I get it before then, Xmas is cancelled. Todays LF just come back negative. Bit of a pain like.
Grim isn't it - A horribly nervous wait for a little red line on a plastic tube

The last day she has to isolate is Christmas day - so the family has agreed to celebrate Christmas on Boxing Day this year, will be a bit weird but hopefully a few Ports at breakfast time will make it seem normal
 
"Anyone aged 5 years and over, who has been identified as a contact of someone with COVID-19 and who is not legally required to self-isolate, is now strongly advised to take a rapid lateral flow device (LFD) test every day for 7 days or until 10 days since their last contact with the person who tested positive for COVID-19 if this is earlier. If any of these LFD tests are positive they should self-isolate in order to protect other people."

Indeed, I just think its a bit mad that it doesn't ask you if you have symptoms - its kind of important.

I feel rancid and according to them I shouldn't be isolating (I am going to be, at least until my PCR comes back).
 
Indeed, I just think its a bit mad that it doesn't ask you if you have symptoms - its kind of important.

I feel rancid and according to them I shouldn't be isolating (I am going to be, at least until my PCR comes back).
Yep it's all a bit of a mess TBH

I have symptoms (Sore throat, blocked nose etc) but I tested negative on PCR last week and have tested negative on daily LFTs so i'm guessing I just have a honest to goodness, garden variety cold (Which I get quite frequently anyway)
 
If the data is showing that it’s almost exclusively unvaccinated people ending up in hospital, and the government has to end up locking the entire country down to guard against hospitals being overwhelmed, it seems to me they would be pointing the finger in the right direction.
Obviously lockdown for the unvaccinated over Christmas and beyond is a no brainer but only part of the problem

If we're making people isolate for 10 days if they get it, a full lockdown is inevitable because of staffing rates not just for hospitals, but other essential services. Unless people are still blaming unvaccinated for all cases in the vaccinated like they were a couple of months back...
 
see my other post, not all unvax people are anti-vax.

I don't think anything to do with a virus is in the human right acts so it's hard for me to say really.
well said. unvax and anti-vax are compeltely different groups indeed.
 
Yep it's all a bit of a mess TBH

I have symptoms (Sore throat, blocked nose etc) but I tested negative on PCR last week and have tested negative on daily LFTs so i'm guessing I just have a honest to goodness, garden variety cold (Which I get quite frequently anyway)
this is what's so difficult about this one, the lack of any distinguishing features

I always feel rancid for a day or two when I have a cold because of issues from when I was younger. So it's really hard to tell. But like you I've tested negative (6 times now in 6 days) and am feeling tons better today than I did yesterday and tbh yesterday I felt loads better than Saturday. Friday was the worst day which was just like a sore throat and felt naff but I wasn't in bed all day or anything.

Like I don't know if it's COVID but have been sensible and laid low. The LFs say it isn't and I'd have thought 6 would have picked it up at some stage.
 
this is what's so difficult about this one, the lack of any distinguishing features

I always feel rancid for a day or two when I have a cold because of issues from when I was younger. So it's really hard to tell. But like you I've tested negative (6 times now in 6 days) and am feeling tons better today than I did yesterday and tbh yesterday I felt loads better than Saturday. Friday was the worst day which was just like a sore throat and felt naff but I wasn't in bed all day or anything.

Like I don't know if it's COVID but have been sensible and laid low. The LFs say it isn't and I'd have thought 6 would have picked it up at some stage.
My results came back negative last night also.

Bit like others and yourself, ticked every box in terms of symptoms.
 
Background: I have a PhD in Biological Sciences, where I analysed omics' data to determine novel biomarkers for respiratory disease. During the start of the pandemic I worked on behalf of a University building systems for the Welsh NHS that enabled clinical research nurses a method to electronically store COVID samples electronically for future biobank use.

I started my new role as an Advanced Data Analyst for a Welsh health-board earlier this year. I'm directly involved in the modelling of COVID, and in the provision of analytics to the Welsh Assembly Government.
They always lean towards the intervention/restriction/lockdown viewpoint at every point.
From our point of view, we always try and avoid intervention / restriction / lockdown. In our modelling we account for likely mental health damage to the public, and whether - using our own recorded data - people are likely to respect said government sanctioned actions if needed. We are instructed to look well beyond restrictions for potential solutions, and over the past year we have done everything in our power to ensure that every other precaution is taken prior to nodding toward the viewpoint you've stated above.
I would like to see more balance and a full analysis of the implications of another lockdown provided as well. I feel another lockdown will do considerably more societal damage than the health benefits of a lockdown.

None of our modelling indicates that another lockdown will do "considerably more societal damage" than what's currently being modelled with Omicron. I converse regularly with both private and publically-funded public health data analysts across the UK, and whilst the mental health aspect of lockdown has obviously been an issue - it's nothing compared to what all of our indicators are currently telling us.
You can keep calling people uninformed or whatever, but not all advisors think the same, and not all advice is good advice. And that's fine, because that's life and people think differently. But I do not feel there is enough balance to the debate, and people are too quick to call for restrictions.
I would push back on the assumption that we're "too quick to call for restrictions". We've practically allowed COVID to rip throughout the UK because of the aforementioned costs associated to mental health and public acceptability, taking huge precautions with cancellation of elective surgery and routine checkups. From a public health standpoint - sacrifices have already been made.

Moreover, the debate within the community is highly varied - it's by no means a nodding dog contest.

Up until recently we've pushed back and had push back for our analyses - and this is fine - it's science, expect criticism. But what's important to understand is that we're in a very different place today than we were before Omicron was first found. The work shown during Whitty and co's presentation was of the 'glass half-full' variety, and that was outright dreadful regardless.
We are in a very different, and better place, than 12 months ago, due to the vaccine. So the no.1 issue as far as I see it, is increasing take up of the vaccine. That's the most practical thing we can all do.
And of course, take up the vaccine. Everyone should take up a vaccine when offered to them.
 
Background: I have a PhD in Biological Sciences, where I analysed omics' data to determine novel biomarkers for respiratory disease. During the start of the pandemic I worked on behalf of a University building systems for the Welsh NHS that enabled clinical research nurses a method to electronically store COVID samples electronically for future biobank use.

I started my new role as an Advanced Data Analyst for a Welsh health-board earlier this year. I'm directly involved in the modelling of COVID, and in the provision of analytics to the Welsh Assembly Government.

From our point of view, we always try and avoid intervention / restriction / lockdown. In our modelling we account for likely mental health damage to the public, and whether - using our own recorded data - people are likely to respect said government sanctioned actions if needed. We are instructed to look well beyond restrictions for potential solutions, and over the past year we have done everything in our power to ensure that every other precaution is taken prior to nodding toward the viewpoint you've stated above.


None of our modelling indicates that another lockdown will do "considerably more societal damage" than what's currently being modelled with Omicron. I converse regularly with both private and publically-funded public health data analysts across the UK, and whilst the mental health aspect of lockdown has obviously been an issue - it's nothing compared to what all of our indicators are currently telling us.

I would push back on the assumption that we're "too quick to call for restrictions". We've practically allowed COVID to rip throughout the UK because of the aforementioned costs associated to mental health and public acceptability, taking huge precautions with cancellation of elective surgery and routine checkups. From a public health standpoint - sacrifices have already been made.

Moreover, the debate within the community is highly varied - it's by no means a nodding dog contest.

Up until recently we've pushed back and had push back for our analyses - and this is fine - it's science, expect criticism. But what's important to understand is that we're in a very different place today than we were before Omicron was first found. The work shown during Whitty and co's presentation was of the 'glass half-full' variety, and that was outright dreadful regardless.

And of course, take up the vaccine. Everyone should take up a vaccine when offered to them.
Excellent post mate. Thank you for the insight.
 
Background: I have a PhD in Biological Sciences, where I analysed omics' data to determine novel biomarkers for respiratory disease. During the start of the pandemic I worked on behalf of a University building systems for the Welsh NHS that enabled clinical research nurses a method to electronically store COVID samples electronically for future biobank use.

I started my new role as an Advanced Data Analyst for a Welsh health-board earlier this year. I'm directly involved in the modelling of COVID, and in the provision of analytics to the Welsh Assembly Government.

From our point of view, we always try and avoid intervention / restriction / lockdown. In our modelling we account for likely mental health damage to the public, and whether - using our own recorded data - people are likely to respect said government sanctioned actions if needed. We are instructed to look well beyond restrictions for potential solutions, and over the past year we have done everything in our power to ensure that every other precaution is taken prior to nodding toward the viewpoint you've stated above.


None of our modelling indicates that another lockdown will do "considerably more societal damage" than what's currently being modelled with Omicron. I converse regularly with both private and publically-funded public health data analysts across the UK, and whilst the mental health aspect of lockdown has obviously been an issue - it's nothing compared to what all of our indicators are currently telling us.

I would push back on the assumption that we're "too quick to call for restrictions". We've practically allowed COVID to rip throughout the UK because of the aforementioned costs associated to mental health and public acceptability, taking huge precautions with cancellation of elective surgery and routine checkups. From a public health standpoint - sacrifices have already been made.

Moreover, the debate within the community is highly varied - it's by no means a nodding dog contest.

Up until recently we've pushed back and had push back for our analyses - and this is fine - it's science, expect criticism. But what's important to understand is that we're in a very different place today than we were before Omicron was first found. The work shown during Whitty and co's presentation was of the 'glass half-full' variety, and that was outright dreadful regardless.

And of course, take up the vaccine. Everyone should take up a vaccine when offered to them.
Just as a question, do these models take into account what is happening in other countries at all? Because we've been told they don't.

And are these models being based on the impact without vaccination? Because the numbers seem extremely high when considered that the booster jab offers 70% protection against any symptoms of Omicron (that is the official data, btw)?
 
Background: I have a PhD in Biological Sciences, where I analysed omics' data to determine novel biomarkers for respiratory disease. During the start of the pandemic I worked on behalf of a University building systems for the Welsh NHS that enabled clinical research nurses a method to electronically store COVID samples electronically for future biobank use.

I started my new role as an Advanced Data Analyst for a Welsh health-board earlier this year. I'm directly involved in the modelling of COVID, and in the provision of analytics to the Welsh Assembly Government.

From our point of view, we always try and avoid intervention / restriction / lockdown. In our modelling we account for likely mental health damage to the public, and whether - using our own recorded data - people are likely to respect said government sanctioned actions if needed. We are instructed to look well beyond restrictions for potential solutions, and over the past year we have done everything in our power to ensure that every other precaution is taken prior to nodding toward the viewpoint you've stated above.


None of our modelling indicates that another lockdown will do "considerably more societal damage" than what's currently being modelled with Omicron. I converse regularly with both private and publically-funded public health data analysts across the UK, and whilst the mental health aspect of lockdown has obviously been an issue - it's nothing compared to what all of our indicators are currently telling us.

I would push back on the assumption that we're "too quick to call for restrictions". We've practically allowed COVID to rip throughout the UK because of the aforementioned costs associated to mental health and public acceptability, taking huge precautions with cancellation of elective surgery and routine checkups. From a public health standpoint - sacrifices have already been made.

Moreover, the debate within the community is highly varied - it's by no means a nodding dog contest.

Up until recently we've pushed back and had push back for our analyses - and this is fine - it's science, expect criticism. But what's important to understand is that we're in a very different place today than we were before Omicron was first found. The work shown during Whitty and co's presentation was of the 'glass half-full' variety, and that was outright dreadful regardless.

And of course, take up the vaccine. Everyone should take up a vaccine when offered to them.

Don't read most recent posts and don’t want to get into a political ideological debate but I’m going to tell you what it’s like on the ground at I share with healthcare setting, this morning popping in to get PPE and LFTs.

Multiple nurses, healthcare assistants and doctors off after having tested positive. We are at crisis levels of staffing. So putting aside the, as yet unknown, severity of Omicron, I can confirm that we are at the beginning of a very uncertain few weeks, from a staffing perspective. I fear what it’s going to be like as this is just the start.
 
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