What a coincidence, the same day as the photos of the cheese and wine “ meetings “ on the lawn emerge lol
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What a coincidence, the same day as the photos of the cheese and wine “ meetings “ on the lawn emerge lol
If we go into lockdown based on unvaccinated people being hospitalised with this new variant - how are people going to react to that?
Not amused to be honest
I think it might be a bit stronger than that
Surely it's riot worthy in the eyes of many
It's completely unjustified to bring in restrictions on the vaccinated because some people are still unvaccinated. There is no moral justification for this, nor is there sufficient risk to the vacccinated population to take away their freedoms.
grandjoeblue
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But what about their human rights!!! Only joking.
Take away their jobs, make it illegal for them to enter indoor premises (except supermarkets at limited hours). The majority have done our bit and due to these individuals we're still in the same position.
I still think we would be going into lockdown anyway as the main focus is cases now rather than deaths/hospitalisations.
TN Toffee
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It’s basically become the entire class continuing to lose their recess every day because of those two kids who just won’t shut the hell up.
Update to the cases (confirmed cases only, not total infections) in countries with known Omicron/about to enter Omicron. I've done it over the last 4 weeks to get a better idea of when each spike starts.
So, Denmark almost certainly started on the 5th, that's pretty clear. Around about the same time as Norway started theirs, but Norway's seems to have peaked and flattened off already (I don't know what restrictions they have brought in).
France is in Delta but is getting Omicron too. UK rise look sto start around the 10th/11th. And look at South Africa, they have definitely peaked in cases, for now. In all these countries, infections from Omicron will be much more widespread than reported cases.
Now, hospitalisations in the same countries, bar South Africa as can't get that data on this site. Hospitalisations clearly staying completely flat in Denmark and Norway. France's Delta hospitalisations may well have peaked which is good, though they have Omicron coming of course. The UK hospitalisations yet to spike, but as proved by the above graph, we are looking at being about 9-10 days into the Omicron spike in the UK so you would expect to see a real rise in hospitalisations, if it were to happen, from the 24-31
So, Denmark almost certainly started on the 5th, that's pretty clear. Around about the same time as Norway started theirs, but Norway's seems to have peaked and flattened off already (I don't know what restrictions they have brought in).
France is in Delta but is getting Omicron too. UK rise look sto start around the 10th/11th. And look at South Africa, they have definitely peaked in cases, for now. In all these countries, infections from Omicron will be much more widespread than reported cases.
Now, hospitalisations in the same countries, bar South Africa as can't get that data on this site. Hospitalisations clearly staying completely flat in Denmark and Norway. France's Delta hospitalisations may well have peaked which is good, though they have Omicron coming of course. The UK hospitalisations yet to spike, but as proved by the above graph, we are looking at being about 9-10 days into the Omicron spike in the UK so you would expect to see a real rise in hospitalisations, if it were to happen, from the 24-31
grandjoeblue
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It would help if they were vaccinated, as I put on my previous post I still think there would be a chance of lockdowns regardless. SAGE might have lowered their predictions to 4000 deaths a day or something.
Ireland have locked down with not far off 100% of adults vaccinated so it's still possible even with high vaccination figures.
coollino
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So are you joking about their human rights or not? you seem to be taking them away in the second para.
blaming unvaccinated people is a very easy (and unfair) way out for the majority of governments.
TN Toffee
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If the data is showing that it’s almost exclusively unvaccinated people ending up in hospital, and the government has to end up locking the entire country down to guard against hospitals being overwhelmed, it seems to me they would be pointing the finger in the right direction.
grandjoeblue
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Simple fact is if we were all anti vax loonies we'd be in lockdown already and would be for about 8 months over this winter. Makes me laugh that the same bunch tend to be anti mask as well. Basically not bothered about doing anything.
Do we have a human right to spread a daily virus?
TN Toffee
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Have they really predicted more than 4000 daily deaths? That’s patently absurd if so. Even in the absolute depths of the pandemic last January when almost no one was vaccinated, the US surpassed 4k deaths less than ten times. To act like the UK is capable of reaching that number at this stage is madness.
coollino
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but people may have reasons for not wanting it? such as mistrust of the government, health issues, poor experience/lack of trust with health services, single parents who don't feel they have time and worry about side effects
they have just been grouped together as one, which isn't really fair.
obviously there will be some people in that group who should get it, based on their circumstances but there will be people who will have a reason why they don't want it and it might be justified.
I'm not talking about anti-vaxxers here btw
coollino
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see my other post, not all unvax people are anti-vax.
I don't think anything to do with a virus is in the human right acts so it's hard for me to say really.
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