grandjoeblue
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Personally for me it's because the unvaccinated have a much higher chance of getting ill and dying. All of my family are triple vaccinated so that doesn't really matter.
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Personally for me it's because the unvaccinated have a much higher chance of getting ill and dying. All of my family are triple vaccinated so that doesn't really matter.
What if you do a lateral flow test to show that you don’t have the virus, why couldn’t you visit them then?
Sorry @Twinkletoes123 but that person’s summary of the report is full of errors.
For reference here are the relevant section from the report.
This first section points out that antibodies, particularly in the elderly, have gradually waned over time. This has been clearly communicated since being first identified in Israel and was the whole rationale for the boosters (even prior to Omicron) which not only boost the antibody levels back up to where they were but increase them. Here is the very large UK study in boosters https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext and one from the US about the higher antibody levels than the first two vaccinations https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/11/boosters-increase-protection-over-full-vaccine-dose/ . The text itself points out the increase in the older groups antibody levels as the booster program began (this report is from Octover)
The second section is here where they talk about those who have experienced past infection and as expected those who have an infection also produce antibodies. However they don’t split out those who only have antibodies from an infection and, givem vaccine coverage rates in the UK a lot of these results will come people like @maccavennie who was infected then vaccinated/boosted and @BlueToff who had 1 vaccination and then infected and then 2nd vaccination. They have hybrid immunity which (as their bodies have essentially seen the virus multiple times over a period of time) have very good antibodies.
Unfortunately the antibodies acquired from an infection immunity also wanes, it is the reason that places like Manaus in Brazil had two awful waves and India was hit hard by Delta. You can also see it in South Africa recently with Omicron - a lot of the reinfections were people who had only just been infected during their Delta wave.
An analysis of routine surveillance data from South Africa from March 2020 till Nov. 27 showed the "reinfection risk profile of Omicron is substantially higher than that associated with the Beta and Delta variants during the second and third waves," NICD said in the statement on Thursday.
S.Africa's health body sees threefold higher risk of reinfection from Omicron
The new Omicron variant of the coronavirus poses a threefold higher risk of reinfection than the currently dominant Delta variant and the Beta strain, a group of South African health bodies said on Thursday.www.reuters.com
An increase of reinfections rather than new infections would be an indication the new variant has developed the ability to evade natural immunity from previous infection, it said.
Juliet Pulliam, director of SACEMA and the author of the pre-print paper, said in her article that Omicron's pattern is likely to be established across all provinces of South Africa by early to mid-December, NICD said.
I just came on here to delete my post as I have just been reading the report. Thanks for the info @LinekersLegs.
I am finding the whole covid issue mind boggling to say the least. My neighbour and my daughter caught covid when they were both double jabbed, my neighbour is in his 60’s, normally great physical health and has had his third jab but has now caught covid again and is isolating. I just can’t see any light at the end of the tunnel unfortunately.
grandjoeblue
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Lateral flow tests work to an extent but they're no guarantee against hospitalisation like the vaccine pretty much is (unless you're over 80 or very unlucky).
What, how can you be hospitalised by an illness that you don’t have??!?!?
Do a PCR then...
It's just ridiculous mate. The whole thing is. You're very unlikely to end up in hospital if you're unvaccinated. It's still like a 0.7% mortality rate and that was with the original strains of COVID.
grandjoeblue
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That's debatable and people will make their own risk analysis.
The risk is absolutely tiny if you're under 50 and are triple vaccinated which is why I wouldn't have an issue seeing people during a lockdown if they fit within that.
Billy Dean
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PCR tests have a timelapse and LFTs don't always pick up the virus if it's at its earliest stages (from what I've read), so I can understand if someone is apprehensive about that. Although hard to imagine why someone vulnerable would not be vaccinated at this stage.
Know it is hard and Omicron has been a real kick in the teeth especially given it is Christmas.
On the positive side we are in a much better place than we were this time last year. The vaccines/past infections will still provide decent protection against severe outcomes compared to when our bodies had never seen Covid. Treatments for those that do fall ill have improved significantly and there is hope that the anti viral pills that are being rolled out will help that further.
Hang in there x
Vulnerable people absolutely should be vaccinated.
If they’re taking any advice from Twitter.com then we’re already in hell itself.
coollino
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they're doing their normal leaking to journalists a few days before, which will no doubt be for them to measure the thoughts. they've been doing it the whole time.
Yeah deffo, then ignoring the response and doing it anyway.
"A good day to bury bad news"
Can't believe they're trying to divert us away from the main story of the day - Who cares about lockdowns when biccies are going up!
www.bbc.co.uk
Can't believe they're trying to divert us away from the main story of the day - Who cares about lockdowns when biccies are going up!
Hobnobs maker warns biscuit prices set to rise
McVities, which also makes Jaffa Cakes and Penguins, is facing higher ingredient and labour costs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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