Wat Tyler
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Yes. Evidence shows the booster makes you more likely to want to eat your neighbours child. It is a disgrace.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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It seems the media are now making the decisions on how the country should be run.
They will now do a complete about turn and demand that the lockdown they asked for repeatedly is ended immediately. They are a complete joke.
Better keep them away from Benitez, there’ll be non of the blighters left.
Endless stories about ruined businesses, places shutting and people losing their jobs.
Lockdown in all but name, but no businesses being helped financially ....... Scandalous.....
Deckard2049
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grandjoeblue
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Someone will probably comment on this saying suicides are down so everything is fine. The reality is for most people lockdowns have done a lot of damage.
Personally I won't be going to parties or anything but if I need to see other vaccinated family members in January why shouldn't I?
efcfanwirral
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The lack of clarity over businesses and people's plans for what is just one week away is shocking. Do they honestly think a 23rd press conference will make the decision they've already made more popular?
Sorry @Twinkletoes123 but that person’s summary of the report is full of errors.
For reference here are the relevant section from the report.
This first section points out that antibodies, particularly in the elderly, have gradually waned over time. This has been clearly communicated since being first identified in Israel and was the whole rationale for the boosters (even prior to Omicron) which not only boost the antibody levels back up to where they were but increase them. Here is the very large UK study in boosters https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext and one from the US about the higher antibody levels than the first two vaccinations https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/11/boosters-increase-protection-over-full-vaccine-dose/ . The text itself points out the increase in the older groups antibody levels as the booster program began (this report is from Octover)
The second section is here where they talk about those who have experienced past infection and as expected those who have an infection also produce antibodies. However they don’t split out those who only have antibodies from an infection and, givem vaccine coverage rates in the UK a lot of these results will come people like @maccavennie who was infected then vaccinated/boosted and @BlueToff who had 1 vaccination and then infected and then 2nd vaccination. They have hybrid immunity which (as their bodies have essentially seen the virus multiple times over a period of time) have very good antibodies.
Unfortunately the antibodies acquired from an infection immunity also wanes, it is the reason that places like Manaus in Brazil had two awful waves and India was hit hard by Delta. You can also see it in South Africa recently with Omicron - a lot of the reinfections were people who had only just been infected during their Delta wave.
S.Africa's health body sees threefold higher risk of reinfection from Omicron
The new Omicron variant of the coronavirus poses a threefold higher risk of reinfection than the currently dominant Delta variant and the Beta strain, a group of South African health bodies said on Thursday.
An increase of reinfections rather than new infections would be an indication the new variant has developed the ability to evade natural immunity from previous infection, it said.
Juliet Pulliam, director of SACEMA and the author of the pre-print paper, said in her article that Omicron's pattern is likely to be established across all provinces of South Africa by early to mid-December, NICD said.
and my booster to come... superhumanSorry @Twinkletoes123 but that person’s summary of the report is full of errors.
For reference here are the relevant section from the report.
This first section points out that antibodies, particularly in the elderly, have gradually waned over time. This has been clearly communicated since being first identified in Israel and was the whole rationale for the boosters (even prior to Omicron) which not only boost the antibody levels back up to where they were but increase them. Here is the very large UK study in boosters https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext and one from the US about the higher antibody levels than the first two vaccinations https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/11/boosters-increase-protection-over-full-vaccine-dose/ . The text itself points out the increase in the older groups antibody levels as the booster program began (this report is from Octover)
The second section is here where they talk about those who have experienced past infection and as expected those who have an infection also produce antibodies. However they don’t split out those who only have antibodies from an infection and, givem vaccine coverage rates in the UK a lot of these results will come people like @maccavennie who was infected then vaccinated/boosted and @BlueToff who had 1 vaccination and then infected and then 2nd vaccination. They have hybrid immunity which (as their bodies have essentially seen the virus multiple times over a period of time) have very good antibodies.
Unfortunately the antibodies acquired from an infection immunity also wanes, it is the reason that places like Manaus in Brazil had two awful waves and India was hit hard by Delta. You can also see it in South Africa recently with Omicron - a lot of the reinfections were people who had only just been infected during their Delta wave.
An analysis of routine surveillance data from South Africa from March 2020 till Nov. 27 showed the "reinfection risk profile of Omicron is substantially higher than that associated with the Beta and Delta variants during the second and third waves," NICD said in the statement on Thursday.S.Africa's health body sees threefold higher risk of reinfection from Omicron
The new Omicron variant of the coronavirus poses a threefold higher risk of reinfection than the currently dominant Delta variant and the Beta strain, a group of South African health bodies said on Thursday.www.reuters.com
An increase of reinfections rather than new infections would be an indication the new variant has developed the ability to evade natural immunity from previous infection, it said.
Juliet Pulliam, director of SACEMA and the author of the pre-print paper, said in her article that Omicron's pattern is likely to be established across all provinces of South Africa by early to mid-December, NICD said.
I don't think it's about popularity. BJ definitely does not want another lockdown of any kind.
SAGE are insisting the modelling is bad, and I'd tend to trust them still over the buffoons in charge. But, this is a huge decision and we need to know what exactly they are basing the severity on, surely?
Why shouldn’t you see unvaccinated family members?
@maccavennie beat you to it, had to endure a nasty hospital case of Covid to do it mind so deserves his higher statusand my booster to come... superhuman
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