Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Seanjd said:
I agree in some respects. I think where seeing family is involved then that needs to be the choice of the individual.

Ultimately, we are still at a point where we aren’t certain about the severity of this variant or other factors like the longer effects. While that uncertainty exists, we should be doing what we can not to let vulnerable/elderly be exposed to it.

By allowing mass parties etc to continue while it is spreading the way it is will only increase the risk of a vulnerable person contracting it and potentially being hospitalised or worse.
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Honestly in terms of a January lockdown - it wouldn't affect me that much. I don't think it's right, but it wouldn't change my life drastically at that time of year. Just wouldn't be able to go to the gym.

Frankly, I'd ignore the advice about seeing family. I live with my parents, and I'd see my sister and my niece. They are the only people I really see anyway family wise, regularly, along with my gran. She's obviously fully boosted. But seeing her at Xmas is one of the reasons why I'm going to lateral flow every day.

Would you shut all businesses down right now in an attempt to curtail those gatherings? Not making you out to be a bad person, just wondered what you'd do? I can safely say that the Xmas Eve pub run I'll be going on is dangerous, but also like I've said I'm doing it to see friends I haven't in two years and it's something we all do and didn't do last year. Will be staying to our group of mates and tbh it's usually that busy (it may not be this year) that you spend a lot of time standing outside anyway. All of my friends are double vaccinated or boosted already. Just wondering what your solution would be to stuff like that because thousands of pubs/restaurants/cafes etc rely on this time of year.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Age mix is going to distort for a while too. The biggest uncertainty I personally have is the hospital rates in the 40 to 60 age range who are double vaccinated with AZ a while ago but not boosted - there (at least prior to the last week of booster rollout) quite a lot of them.

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Cases...

Be interesting to see how many of those are symptomatic (especially in older groups that are more likely to already be boosted) - see if that 75% figure is standing up
 
BlueToff said:
Honestly in terms of a January lockdown - it wouldn't affect me that much. I don't think it's right, but it wouldn't change my life drastically at that time of year. Just wouldn't be able to go to the gym.

Frankly, I'd ignore the advice about seeing family. I live with my parents, and I'd see my sister and my niece. They are the only people I really see anyway family wise, regularly, along with my gran. She's obviously fully boosted. But seeing her at Xmas is one of the reasons why I'm going to lateral flow every day.

Would you shut all businesses down right now in an attempt to curtail those gatherings? Not making you out to be a bad person, just wondered what you'd do? I can safely say that the Xmas Eve pub run I'll be going on is dangerous, but also like I've said I'm doing it to see friends I haven't in two years and it's something we all do and didn't do last year. Will be staying to our group of mates and tbh it's usually that busy (it may not be this year) that you spend a lot of time standing outside anyway. All of my friends are double vaccinated or boosted already. Just wondering what your solution would be to stuff like that because thousands of pubs/restaurants/cafes etc rely on this time of year.
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I think I would, yeah. Obviously, there would have to be a support package in place for small businesses and employees who would suffer as a result. I’m no economist, but I’m sure it’s doable. It’s awful timing, but the timing is no reason not to introduce measure if they’re needed.

I worry about the combination of young people socialising then seen elderly people over Christmas. If Omicron is mainly spreading amongst younger people at the moment, it won’t be long until we get our answers as to how it will affect older/vulnerable people on a wider scale. I can’t see it being good, even with current booster numbers.
 
Seanjd said:
I think I would, yeah. Obviously, there would have to be a support package in place for small businesses and employees who would suffer as a result. I’m no economist, but I’m sure it’s doable. It’s awful timing, but the timing is no reason not to introduce measure if they’re needed.

I worry about the combination of young people socialising then seen elderly people over Christmas. If Omicron is mainly spreading amongst younger people at the moment, it won’t be long until we get our answers as to how it will affect older/vulnerable people on a wider scale. I can’t see it being good, even with current booster numbers.
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Honestly mate, as someone with family experience in this area, I don't think many businesses bounce back from two successive Christmases completely canned... Even with support.

I just think you do this now, you might as well do it every year. People can scoff at it but it's the same people that scoffed at that idea last year.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Good explainer re tests @ForeverBlue92
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Good thread, Legs.

I'm really hoping mine is just a cold. I started feeling naff on Thursday. I was bad yesterday, and feel tons better today. All I've had is a sore throat (yesterday and Thursday eve) and just feeling groggy. But then last night I do think I must've had something of a fever as I woke up a bit sweaty (albeit that's not one of the symptoms of Omicron so who knows).

But I've tested negative on lateral flows from Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and today. So that's four days (I tested on Wednesday in order to go for a work meal).

I've now basically got no sore throat at all, but a bit of a blocked nose. Lemsips make me feel loads better (which wasn't the case when I had COVID). I've done nothing but rest yesterday other than go on a brief walk, same again today. Not gone to the gym or anything daft like that. Did have to go to the shop earlier to get more lemsip but I wore my snood over my mouth obviously and was in and out, used self scan and sanitised hands. And had done the negative LF test this am.

My mum and dad have both had a chest infection lately but pretty sure I already had that a few months ago.

It's mad, for someone who hardly ever got ill - I was ill only once in the entirety of the 18 months before July this year - any bug now seems to get me really badly ffs, since I had COVID.
 
BlueToff said:
Honestly mate, as someone with family experience in this area, I don't think many businesses bounce back from two successive Christmases completely canned... Even with support.

I just think you do this now, you might as well do it every year. People can scoff at it but it's the same people that scoffed at that idea last year.
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But we just don’t know what the future might hold. It could be positive, and a universal vaccine is developed and rolled out which combats most future strains and just needs updating every so often, or we could see a wildly different and more deadly variant which just scuppers everything.

There has to be a point during any wave of any pandemic when putting measures into place to protect mass amounts of lives trumps a couple of weeks of higher returns for businesses. A competent government could make sure that those returns are accounted for through support. We can’t account for the massive loss in life if we don’t do anything.
 
Restrictions announced yesterday, amazingly a jump of over 3000 cases announced today to over 7000 cases, no mention here of a backlog being cleared just that there are over 7000 cases today. Like clockwork the chief medical officer brings out the cases he's been hoarding for the few days after a restrictions announcement. Screenshot with the prediction of a huge jump dated yesterday.

www.thejournal.ie

Coronavirus: 7,333 new cases confirmed in Ireland

The Department of Health confirmed the latest figures today.
www.thejournal.ie www.thejournal.ie
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BlueToff said:
Honestly mate, as someone with family experience in this area, I don't think many businesses bounce back from two successive Christmases completely canned... Even with support.

I just think you do this now, you might as well do it every year. People can scoff at it but it's the same people that scoffed at that idea last year.
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this is one of the many issues. The state is getting involved with sectors it doesn't understand. And wrecking them. How about we all are given the relevant information, and left to make our own choices. We've had the jabs for chrissakes, how much more protection do people want.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Age mix is going to distort for a while too. The biggest uncertainty I personally have is the hospital rates in the 40 to 60 age range who are double vaccinated with AZ a while ago but not boosted - there (at least prior to the last week of booster rollout) quite a lot of them.

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I think there are likely loads of factors like that skewing the data short term. We need to be a little patient with it really. Everyone is going to get it at some point, we just need to make sure it’s not everyone at once.
 
Kev50 said:
this is one of the many issues. The state is getting involved with sectors it doesn't understand. And wrecking them. How about we all are given the relevant information, and left to make our own choices. We've had the jabs for chrissakes, how much more protection do people want.
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It’s not about you or me, though. It’s about vulnerable people who this could kill. It’s also about being cautious at the start of an unknown situation.
 
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