Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Seanjd said:
But we just don’t know what the future might hold. It could be positive, and a universal vaccine is developed and rolled out which combats most future strains and just needs updating every so often, or we could see a wildly different and more deadly variant which just scuppers everything.

There has to be a point during any wave of any pandemic when putting measures into place to protect mass amounts of lives trumps a couple of weeks of higher returns for businesses. A competent government could make sure that those returns are accounted for through support. We can’t account for the massive loss in life if we don’t do anything.
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It's not about 'higher returns' mate - it's livelihoods, jobs going. I'm sorry, it's really not as simple as that.

You say a 'competent government' - well look at the protests across Europe atm that have been happening for some time.

If all the protection available has been given... sometimes it's got to be a case of getting on with things. I'm not saying be reckless, I'm not saying don't have measures in place. But nothing should be shut down.

And like I said, if you feel that strongly that it should be, people can make the decision themselves to restrict their lives. That's a personal decision.
 
Tipp blue said:
Restrictions announced yesterday, amazingly a jump of over 3000 cases announced today to over 7000 cases, no mention here of a backlog being cleared just that there are over 7000 cases today. Like clockwork the chief medical officer brings out the cases he's been hoarding for the few days after a restrictions announcement. Screenshot with the prediction of a huge jump dated yesterday.

www.thejournal.ie

Coronavirus: 7,333 new cases confirmed in Ireland

The Department of Health confirmed the latest figures today.
www.thejournal.ie www.thejournal.ie
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Not going to get into the restrictions/no restrictions debate but re case reporting delays am exoecting that to get considerably worse over the next couple of weeks due to a combination of sheer volume and staffing issues (holidays/illness/quarantine).

A big jump in cases being delayed slightly imo is not solid evidence of meddling, far more probable to be just a reflection of workload/supply of testing material issues.
 
Amw79 said:
Really interesting that. Love hearing from proper experts in a field, their ability to communicate complex stuff to laypeople clearly is fantastic.
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I saw a few people I follow on Twitter yesterday (blues) post about how the LFs were useless etc and 'if you want to know, go and get a PCR'...

I nearly commented, but bit my tongue. The LFs do work, the experts have all said. People charging out for unnecessary PCR tests isn't going to help capacity at all, and the PCRs are notorious for being too precise (the official instruction from the NHS is still not to get a PCR if you've had COVID in the last 90 days, for example).

Plus, a few put up their woes of being positive over the last few days and how they'd have to isolate, but felt fine etc and were going to do the 10 days. I'd be surprised if any of them are actually isolating on Xmas day if they're already feeling better and have tested negative - which is extremely likely whatever variant of COVID they have. It usually lasts in your system 5-6 days after you first test positive, and if not you're probably one of the people who might need to go to the hospital. They're saying with Omicron it's often been 3-4 days.

My mate who tested positive for Omicron earlier this week tested negative two days after his result came back. So he only had a total of 4 days testing positive, and he felt fine within 48 hours (he's only 30, double vaccinated, not yet got his booster). Just shows how quickly this thing could come and go yet he's basically having to do 6 days in the house for no reason, as he's tested negative successively.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Not going to get into the restrictions/no restrictions debate but re case reporting delays am exoecting that to get considerably worse over the next couple of weeks due to a combination of sheer volume and staffing issues (holidays/illness/quarantine).

A big jump in cases being delayed slightly imo is not solid evidence of meddling, far more probable to be just a reflection of workload/supply of testing material issues.
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And, you know, how exponential growth works.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Not going to get into the restrictions/no restrictions debate but re case reporting delays am exoecting that to get considerably worse over the next couple of weeks due to a combination of sheer volume and staffing issues (holidays/illness/quarantine).

A big jump in cases being delayed slightly imo is not solid evidence of meddling, far more probable to be just a reflection of workload/supply of testing material issues.
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The additional cases aren't being announced as such, they are just all lumped in together and reported as daily figures.
 
BlueToff said:
It's not about 'higher returns' mate - it's livelihoods, jobs going. I'm sorry, it's really not as simple as that.

You say a 'competent government' - well look at the protests across Europe atm that have been happening for some time.

If all the protection available has been given... sometimes it's got to be a case of getting on with things. I'm not saying be reckless, I'm not saying don't have measures in place. But nothing should be shut down.

And like I said, if you feel that strongly that it should be, people can make the decision themselves to restrict their lives. That's a personal decision.
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On the higher returns point, I mean for businesses who rely on the trade around Christmas time. They are higher returns relatively to the rest of the year hence why they rely on them. Of course it can mean job losses, that’s why I said that proper support needs to be in place to account for those returns.

When you say people can make their own decision; of course they can. What they can’t do is make decisions for other people who this can actually kill. I can decide to go to either go to the work Xmas do tonight or not, then go to the supermarket tomorrow, potentially unknowingly having contracted Covid and being contagious. What I can’t make a decision on is whether, out of having no other alternative, the 80 year old immuno-suppressed lady down the road has no choice but to also go to the shop, contracts Covid and ends up in a bad way.

At risk of repeating myself, any measures put in place now aren’t for me or you. They aren’t necessarily to protect me or you. So our decisions during this time can’t be seen as for our own protection but to protect others. We are still in a phase of uncertainty. Why not err on the side of caution until we know that this isn’t as deadly as it could be?
 
ToffeeTim said:
We will never be more protected in future than we are now. Lockdown under these circumstances then it happens every year. I'm not being hysterical, its just stating logic.
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No it isn’t.

That statement is just not true. The last coronavirus lasted 6 years and 10 waves but is now benign.

That was before vaccines.

The virus is likely mutate into more benign versions of itself and each year we can develop boosters that provide immunity for newer variants.

We are at the beginning of a cycle.
 
I used to flip flop with lockdowns, however.
My current view is. This one is pointless and I fully believe is a government just doing something to be seen to do something. It's January, Xmas has gone, people have socialised, money has been spent. It is the month for chilling and for not doing a lot, and dreading the credit card bill.

My second thought about lockdowns in general is a divisive one.
Sack them off.
Now, the majority of us are vaccinated, why should I stay at home, because Dave in Tesco has chosen to not vaccinate. His choice. His risk.
The other one is let's say you are vaccinated, and you end up getting it bad. Well that sucks. But how is that any different to any other ailment you might get. Sorry, but the chips have fallen badly for you on this. Sucks. But why should I put my life on hold, cause Mary is susceptible to a virus
I suffer bronchitis. Before all this, nobody suggested locking down the country in winter, for cold and flu season. Which if I got, could turn into something that cripples me for a few weeks if I got run down and the old bronchials started acting up.
Others get cancer etc. Sorry but this is an issue that affects you. Deal with it.

For me, we are double/triple jabbed. Let's crack on. If.you get sick after being vaccinated. Well then it sucks to be you.
If you get sick, cause you ain't vaccinated, well your choice. Tough.

Slamming the NHS. Fund it properly. Cut out all the wastage, and run it properly, and then we might just not get overwhelmed.
 
BlueToff said:
I saw a few people I follow on Twitter yesterday (blues) post about how the LFs were useless etc and 'if you want to know, go and get a PCR'...

I nearly commented, but bit my tongue. The LFs do work, the experts have all said. People charging out for unnecessary PCR tests isn't going to help capacity at all, and the PCRs are notorious for being too precise (the official instruction from the NHS is still not to get a PCR if you've had COVID in the last 90 days, for example).

Plus, a few put up their woes of being positive over the last few days and how they'd have to isolate, but felt fine etc and were going to do the 10 days. I'd be surprised if any of them are actually isolating on Xmas day if they're already feeling better and have tested negative - which is extremely likely whatever variant of COVID they have. It usually lasts in your system 5-6 days after you first test positive, and if not you're probably one of the people who might need to go to the hospital. They're saying with Omicron it's often been 3-4 days.

My mate who tested positive for Omicron earlier this week tested negative two days after his result came back. So he only had a total of 4 days testing positive, and he felt fine within 48 hours (he's only 30, double vaccinated, not yet got his booster). Just shows how quickly this thing could come and go yet he's basically having to do 6 days in the house for no reason, as he's tested negative successively.
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Yeah my missus had 2 (or 3) negative lateral flow before a positive PCR, and I, rather harshly as it turns out, put it down to her probably not taking the sample correctly. That graph from LLs post is a great explainer of what’s actually happening in terms of the immune response.

Mrs AMW defo has the omicron, as the symptom set is pretty different to Delta, she’s been ill now for 4/5 days, but pretty mild, and I think over the worst. She’s kicking herself for going to her Xmas party where a load of them caught it, as if I now get symptoms in the next couple of days, that’s our Xmas and Boxing Day plans out the window.
 
ToffeeTim said:
2 main reasons..

1... I dont see covid going anywhere any time soon. I think the more likely scenario is it remains in some form for the rest of our lives. So I dont see situation being much different this time next year or the one after that. So if the argument is used this year that we need lockdown to help the health service, then I expect exactly the same next year. I see this as a play to normalise winter restrictions as a moral duty to help the health service.

2.... The goal posts have been moved continuously throughout the pandemic. Things that we expected to be short term or last only a few weeks have lasted months or have been brought back regularly. When restrictions have been introduced they have always been at the longer term end of the scale than the short term.

I dont believe there is anyone out there at the minute Speaking out on behalf of these badly effected by lockdowns in whatever manner. Nor do I believe that there is anyone out there at the minute representing the views of younger people who have missed out on education, had their social lives impacted a lot, and they will inevitably have to pay increased taxes for the foreseeable to help pay for all the government debt.
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You're right about one thing. There's a lot of fear mongering in this thread, lads claiming we'll be locked down every year based on nothing but their own frustration
 
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