Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Personally I'm just glad to be living where I am.

Mid Wales less populated per whatever number in the country we have no Omicron right now.

Population increasing as the second home owner and camper vans flood into Wales as from yesterday afternoon.

Local health board states has 91.1% of all over 18yrs are vaccinated and very high rate of 16 to 18 in the country at 82.5%

5 days before I shut the shop for the festive season.

Thinking I have a good chance of avoiding omicron until after Christmas

However, the saying "famous last words" comes to mind
 
PhilM said:
If true, I feel that the complacency by many who've had the virus, including myself, will play a part in the surge. Thankfully, I've had my booster.

I suspect the worry is the sheer number of people who'll be contracting the virus in a short period of time, including those who've been previously infected.

As I mentioned a few days ago, 1% of 10,000,000 is 10x larger than 1% of 1,000,000 as so on, so it'll be interesting to watch hospitalisation rates etc.

In terms of why does the booster help, I haven't got a clue; as a layman, I was thinking it might be due to a recent boost to the immune system to fight it?
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Firstly, Where did i ask does the booster help? I asked how 2 vaccines give you 20% and a one more shot takes you to 80%?

Second question was the information/data we have so far suggests what im repeating that its highly contagious but a lot weaker.
 
JLW said:
Firstly, Where did i ask does the booster help? I asked how 2 vaccines give you 20% and a one more shot takes you to 80%?

Second question was the information/data we have so far suggests what im repeating that its highly contagious but a lot weaker.
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Ermm... for some, the first dose of the vaccine may have been administered nearly a year ago with the second early to mid year thus efficiency has waned.

So, a booster shot may give a 'recent boost to the immune system' like I mentioned. I don't think that's an overly outlandish concept.

And to the second point, it may be weaker but if mass numbers of people catch it at once, like we are, we will still see a surge of people needing treatment.

The numbers here are fairly arbitrary although based on what I've read: If 1% of 10,000 people with COVID needed treatment that would a total of 10 people.

If 0.4% of people 10,000,000 people with COVID needed treatment - a milder variant - that would be 40,000. Even 0.1% would be 10,000 people.

So, the worry is how contagious it is and the surge of pressure it may have on the NSH. Again, I don't think that's an overly outlandish concept.

It's not unrealistic to think that a fair few million people are going to catch this variant based on its current r0 rate and how previous immunity isn't effective.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
It does feel a bit like people are assuming the medical experts just make stuff up for the shits and giggles.
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I honestly think if the pandemic would have been handled by anyone else other than this government, more people would be onboard.

It’s been a cluster from the start, which has inevitably meant a lot of people now don’t believe a word that they say.

It’s easy for people to say we need to listen to the scientists and ignore the government. However, if you’ve been locked up in your home for long periods since covid hit, then are seeing and hearing the stuff the people telling you to do so, have been up to during that time; you will be less likely to believe a word of anything more that they say.

The media also don’t help, but it seems like a lot of people have had enough; which has resulted in people not following what they’re being told to do.
 
ArtetaMoney said:
I honestly think if the pandemic would have been handled by anyone else other than this government, more people would be onboard.

It’s been a cluster from the start, which has inevitably meant a lot of people now don’t believe a word that they say.

It’s easy for people to say we need to listen to the scientists and ignore the government. However, if you’ve been locked up in your home for long periods since covid hit, then are seeing and hearing the stuff the people telling you to do so, have been up to during that time; you will be less likely to believe a word of anything more that they say.

The media also don’t help, but it seems like a lot of people have had enough; which has resulted in people not following what they’re being told to do.
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the problem with adopting the best to just listen to the scientists' is that they only have one viewpoint. 'I must not get blamed at the public enquiry that is coming, for any death which captain hindsight will say I could have prevented if I had spoken up at the time'. The disastrous side effects of lockdown, they won't get blamed for that so it doesn't enter significantly into their calculations. So we end up super cautious, and with annual lockdowns. Basically, Christmas is banned forever if the test is that the nos might get overloaded. cos the nhs was in danger of overload prior to covid, it don't take much for the warning lights to start flashing. I think we have to get our heads around the concept of allowing overload rather than lockdown. that way we get back to normal life. I mean, we've had our jabs, if you still need a ventilator cos of covid and they're all taken, well that's very sad but sometimes the dice just doesn't role your way. Thems the breaks. It's hard, but surely preferable to our whole way of life being chucked in the bin. cos these annual lockdowns are unsustainable, they will eventually bankrupt us, and we won't be able to afford to fund the nos to previous levels in any event.
 
The experts are largely ignored now because they constantly suggest lockdowns and seem to have no other suggestions. Lots of the rules are illogical too. If the only thing you can come up with after 2 years is another lockdown, then you aren't an expert.

As if a 2 week lockdown will even make any difference. No one can honestly think it could. This is all just to be seen to be doing something.

If there is a lockdown now then there will be one every winter and thats unacceptable. Its not our duty long term to stay indoors to help the health service.
 
Kev50 said:
the problem with adopting the best to just listen to the scientists' is that they only have one viewpoint. 'I must not get blamed at the public enquiry that is coming, for any death which captain hindsight will say I could have prevented if I had spoken up at the time'. The disastrous side effects of lockdown, they won't get blamed for that so it doesn't enter significantly into their calculations. So we end up super cautious, and with annual lockdowns. Basically, Christmas is banned forever if the test is that the nos might get overloaded. cos the nhs was in danger of overload prior to covid, it don't take much for the warning lights to start flashing. I think we have to get our heads around the concept of allowing overload rather than lockdown. that way we get back to normal life. I mean, we've had our jabs, if you still need a ventilator cos of covid and they're all taken, well that's very sad but sometimes the dice just doesn't role your way. Thems the breaks. It's hard, but surely preferable to our whole way of life being chucked in the bin. cos these annual lockdowns are unsustainable, they will eventually bankrupt us, and we won't be able to afford to fund the nos to previous levels in any event.
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It is convenient timing for the Tory party, in that during future GEs they can blame the fracturing of the NHS on Covid, rather than their previous 10 years of power.

Lockdowns are awful, but I do see why they do them. You are right, though, no way will any of them take blame for the mental illness caused from the way this has been handled.
 
JLW said:
Depending on the estimates used for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection from the Delta variant, this translates into vaccine effectiveness estimates against symptomatic Omicron infection of between 0% and 20% after two doses, and between 55% and 80% after a booster dose. Similar estimates were obtained using genotype data, albeit with greater uncertainty.

How can 2 doses of a vaccine protect only up to 20% but the booster takes you up to 80%?

Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College London said: “This study provides further evidence of the very substantial extent to which Omicron can evade prior immunity given by both infection or vaccination. This level of immune evasion means that Omicron poses a major, imminent threat to public health.”

I thought we already new it was more contagious than previous variants but a lot weaker?
If hospital admissions or deaths dont rise significantly then this is good news and not a major threat.
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the more I read that quote the more astonishing it is. Covid is now substantially evading the vaccine. If covid is substantially evading the vaccine, then the whole of the last two years have been for nothing. We are in almost exactly the same place we were in two years ago, only this time we know a vaccine aint gonna come to the rescue.
Thing is though, I don't believe this scaremongering. I don't believe it is substantially evading the vaccine. I think the dangers from covid at the moment have been substantially reduced. So why the hell are they deliberately scaring people. this is what happens when you hand such huge power to the state, you get bellends like this making statements like this to the huge detriment of our whole way of life.
 
Kev50 said:
the more I read that quote the more astonishing it is. Covid is now substantially evading the vaccine. If covid is substantially evading the vaccine, then the whole of the last two years have been for nothing. We are in almost exactly the same place we were in two years ago, only this time we know a vaccine aint gonna come to the rescue.
Thing is though, I don't believe this scaremongering. I don't believe it is substantially evading the vaccine. I think the dangers from covid at the moment have been substantially reduced. So why the hell are they deliberately scaring people. this is what happens when you hand such huge power to the state, you get bellends like this making statements like this to the huge detriment of our whole way of life.
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The vaccines have been and continue to come to our rescue by preventing serious illness and death, just as they were always supposed to do.

I feel like I need to set up some sort of bot to make this post a daily PSA, instead of typing it out every so often.
 
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