Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Which is a damning state of affairs in and of itself TBF - governments, even one as catastrophic as this one, need to be able to do what’s necessary. If they don’t do that because the Bufton-Tuftons of the world will wail and gnash teeth then that’s a very bad thing.
But if doing what is necessary is not actually doing that, you have to draw the line.

If the country needed to go in full lockdown because the science says so, I very much doubt anyone in parliament would appose that for example. The reasoning would be there.
 
He has a fair few now, i'd be surprised if one didn't close down.

It will prob change the landscape forever. There is this Polish semi fine-dining place near us where we used to go quite often, it was brilliant. Now they do more fast food (still good) and discos/DJ's fri and sat night. You can't blame them as they need to survive but its not far off a place lost for us now. we just pick up the odd sandwich from there now and again
Aye probably only shoe horned him because he may a know a thing or two about the industry and then I remembered Brexit and Johnson is PM, all is well in the world.
Have been out to eat twice in last 10 days. Both venues stated they are well down. And getting staff is also a big issue. Was going to Bull Ring Christmas market on Saturday but knocked that on the head, would be just asking for a mouth breather to infect me.
 
I'm not sure on this. They certainly don't in my social circles. I don't know 1 person who supports more restrictions.

These opinion polls you see on restrictions are a good laugh as well. Think I saw one where 30% of the public wanted schools shut. I can't believe for a second that's true but if it is, then our democracy is in one heck of a mess. I don't want to live in a country where 30% of people want schools shut lol

Who actually gets offered these opinion polls? ?

I don't think I have ever been asked to take part in one. Have been stopped by radio city once to ask me about our then manager.
Well thats a different argument, but they were right on the last election result and prob better than hearsay
 
But if doing what is necessary is not actually doing that, you have to draw the line.

If the country needed to go in full lockdown because the science says so, I very much doubt anyone in parliament would appose that for example. The reasoning would be there.

This is sort of disproved by how that element have tended to oppose the science throughout.
 

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This is sort of disproved by how that element have tended to oppose the science throughout.

Which if that was true , then you cannot trust the restrictions put in place are right then! If they are not going by the science then the restrictions themselves aren't driven by them.

Has to be some sort of element of balance here. To listen to restrictions being issued they have to be driven by the science. If they aren't then they have less foundation to be stuck to, with common sense then prevailing in behaviour.

Whereas if science say impose this , then you know the advice is sound.
 
Which if that was true , then you cannot trust the restrictions put in place are right then! If they are not going by the science then the restrictions themselves aren't driven by them.

Has to be some sort of element of balance here. To listen to restrictions being issued they have to be driven by the science. If they aren't then they have less foundation to be stuck to, with common sense then prevailing in behaviour.

Whereas if science say impose this , then you know the advice is sound.
I'm not sure I follow the logic that because a portion of MPs are incapable of sensible empathetic decision making, that restrictions cannot be trusted?

The outline measures for management of pandemics are largely universal and have existed well before this current government have been in power. The inability of a few to value individual lives over their own self interest should not be the determining factor of what is correct.
 
Does the fact that it's the Tory Brexiteers that are putting your arguments across in Parliament, not give some of you pause for thought? Arguments that there are more deaths on the road (2,000 in 2 years) than from covid (142,000 in 2 years, 70 x as many). Arguments that risk assessments are matter of opinion and we handle them ourselves, except presumably keeping cars off pavements, or insisting on safety belts and non smoking in workplaces and speed limits. Arguments that the modelled results of something spreading at exponential rate are in the future, and therefore unknowable, compared to the known costs to THE ECONOMY, which is all these neoliberal libertarians care about. Does this not set off alarm bells for you? That it's swivel-eyed ultra right loons in Parliament who hoodwinked everyone with disinformation on social media and got Brexit through to safeguard their tax haven money or that of their paymasters, who are fighting your corner, of the supposed 'freedom resistance? Your anti-authoritarianism, just as with Brexit and Trump, has been handed to far right propaganda masters who are making you dance to their tune. The British Union of Fascists wave flags on your demos, but you claim that having to have a vaccine, something you have done as a child and do to go abroad, or wearing a mask, something you probably did for fun or on a demo, is equivalent to living under fascism. Meanwhile the government these people are part of are banning peaceful protest, and have established that citizenship can be removed arbitrarily, are trying to get rid of the human rights act, and want to remove the judiciary's right to challenge government decisions. The PM himself prorogued Parliament to get his own way, but the hill you've chosen to die on is over public health measures? Get a grip! There has been a right wing coup in this country and you are arguing for the same laissez faire neoliberalism that has killed so many people so far.

You get neoliberalism, right? Thatcherism on steroids? That there's no such thing as society and the individual is sovereign as a consumer, and therefore responsible for their own utilities, health, education, public health? So therefore we can get rid of every aspect of socialism in the country? That's where you're planting your flag?

Antivaxxers calling themselves purebloods? People resisting the invasion of foreign matter into their sovereign body? None of this smacks of * actual*fascism to you?
 
I'm not sure I follow the logic that because a portion of MPs are incapable of sensible empathetic decision making, that restrictions cannot be trusted?

The outline measures for management of pandemics are largely universal and have existed well before this current government have been in power. The inability of a few to value individual lives over their own self interest should not be the determining factor of what is correct.
The need for them is a determining factor , otherwise you are implementing measures without justification.

Remember the crazy conspiracy theory , making people wear masks is an element of controlling the population. If you are implementing those measures as mandatory without scientific input then that crazy theory doesn't sound as crazy in comparison.

We don't need to talk about the benefits of masks and certainly there is nothing stopping anyone wearing them either. But there is a difference between making people wear them and they simply being an option. So the reason for them has to be science based , not politician based.

I think two different points are being discussed here. It's not about whether politicians follow the rules , it's about whether the rules are based on science or not. If they aren't then they shouldn't be implemented. Nothing should be imemented unless science has dictated it during a pandemic.
 
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