Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I follow her but any point made using anything she's put out there is discredited by the fact its her.

These politicians don't help themselves though, it's obvious they would be used so why they'd come out with assurances like that I have no idea. Digging holes unnecessarily.

Its like Javid saying yesterday they'll definitely not remove the testing option ever and that they won't expand mandatory vaccinations beyond the NHS, though I get he had to to get the measures voted through. Likely an outright lie though- I expect to see both of those in the next 3 months
 
I follow her but any point made using anything she's put out there is discredited by the fact its her.

These politicians don't help themselves though, it's obvious they would be used so why they'd come out with assurances like that I have no idea. Digging holes unnecessarily.

Its like Javid saying yesterday they'll definitely not remove the testing option ever and that they won't expand mandatory vaccinations beyond the NHS, though I get he had to to get the measures voted through. Likely an outright lie though- I expect to see both of those in the next 3 months

She certainly is a horror, albeit she does illustrate the utter hypocrisy of the media in that her allegiances and utterances are rarely mentioned
 
Does the fact that it's the Tory Brexiteers that are putting your arguments across in Parliament, not give some of you pause for thought? Arguments that there are more deaths on the road (2,000 in 2 years) than from covid (142,000 in 2 years, 70 x as many). Arguments that risk assessments are matter of opinion and we handle them ourselves, except presumably keeping cars off pavements, or insisting on safety belts and non smoking in workplaces and speed limits. Arguments that the modelled results of something spreading at exponential rate are in the future, and therefore unknowable, compared to the known costs to THE ECONOMY, which is all these neoliberal libertarians care about. Does this not set off alarm bells for you? That it's swivel-eyed ultra right loons in Parliament who hoodwinked everyone with disinformation on social media and got Brexit through to safeguard their tax haven money or that of their paymasters, who are fighting your corner, of the supposed 'freedom resistance? Your anti-authoritarianism, just as with Brexit and Trump, has been handed to far right propaganda masters who are making you dance to their tune. The British Union of Fascists wave flags on your demos, but you claim that having to have a vaccine, something you have done as a child and do to go abroad, or wearing a mask, something you probably did for fun or on a demo, is equivalent to living under fascism. Meanwhile the government these people are part of are banning peaceful protest, and have established that citizenship can be removed arbitrarily, are trying to get rid of the human rights act, and want to remove the judiciary's right to challenge government decisions. The PM himself prorogued Parliament to get his own way, but the hill you've chosen to die on is over public health measures? Get a grip! There has been a right wing coup in this country and you are arguing for the same laissez faire neoliberalism that has killed so many people so far.

You get neoliberalism, right? Thatcherism on steroids? That there's no such thing as society and the individual is sovereign as a consumer, and therefore responsible for their own utilities, health, education, public health? So therefore we can get rid of every aspect of socialism in the country? That's where you're planting your flag?

Antivaxxers calling themselves purebloods? People resisting the invasion of foreign matter into their sovereign body? None of this smacks of * actual*fascism to you?

You’re equating anti-lockdown with anti-vaccine. This is a false equivalency. Yes, there is crossover between the two groups but it is perfectly possible to be pro vaccine and against restrictions. Are Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbot anti vax? Or fascist?

Because according to your logic the fact they voted against some restrictions yesterday would mean that they are.
 
She certainly is a horror, albeit she does illustrate the utter hypocrisy of the media in that her allegiances and utterances are rarely mentioned
Hey I agree - I'm not even against what she says much of the time, i just know how others see any non traditional media source.

E.g. My dad doesn't see The Athletic as "real journalists" despite them all coming from local papers. Presumably because they don't spew hate and racism all day
 
Hey I agree - I'm not even against what she says much of the time, i just know how others see any non traditional media source.

E.g. My dad doesn't see The Athletic as "real journalists" despite them all coming from local papers. Presumably because they don't spew hate and racism all day

I’m against what she says most of the time, but I just think it’s mad how someone with her history still gets on the media, gets jobs in politics, gets a peerage etc.

Clearly some communists are more equal than others.
 
The need for them is a determining factor , otherwise you are implementing measures without justification.

Remember the crazy conspiracy theory , making people wear masks is an element of controlling the population. If you are implementing those measures as mandatory without scientific input then that crazy theory doesn't sound as crazy in comparison.

We don't need to talk about the benefits of masks and certainly there is nothing stopping anyone wearing them either. But there is a difference between making people wear them and they simply being an option. So the reason for them has to be science based , not politician based.

I think two different points are being discussed here. It's not about whether politicians follow the rules , it's about whether the rules are based on science or not. If they aren't then they shouldn't be implemented. Nothing should be imemented unless science has dictated it during a pandemic.
But what happens when the science is unclear, as it is for Omicron?

For instance


Muge knows more about the science of this than all of us combined ever will and, although she is confident about the increased transmission risk, she’s unclear about what it means for hospitalizations. So if you are a politician in charge do you wait until everything is certain (which for UK would be seeing London hospitalization rates) with the knowledge you’ll have baked in quite a lot of results (good or bad) by waiting or do you make decisions on imperfect data?
 
But what happens when the science is unclear, as it is for Omicron?

For instance


Muge knows more about the science of this than all of us combined ever will and, although she is confident about the increased transmission risk, she’s unclear about what it means for hospitalizations. So if you are a politician in charge do you wait until everything is certain (which for UK would be seeing London hospitalization rates) with the knowledge you’ll have baked in quite a lot of results (good or bad) by waiting or do you make decisions on imperfect data?

Honestly I think they're saving their own necks politically and are condemning us to a potential, if it plays out like they say, extremely long lockdown compared to a potentially short one.
 
Telegraph…

“A laboratory leak is now the more likely origin of Covid, MPs have heard, because after two years of searching an animal host has never been found.

Speaking to the Science and Technology Select Committee, Dr Alina Chan, a specialist in gene therapy and cell engineering at MIT and Harvard, said there was also a risk that Covid-19 was an engineered virus.

Dr Chan, said: “I think the lab origin is more likely than not. Right now it’s not safe for people who know about the origin of the pandemic to come forward. But we live in an era where there is so much information being stored that it will eventually come out.

“We have heard from many top virologists that a genetically engineered origin is reasonable and that includes virologists who made modifications to the first Sars virus.

“We know this virus has a unique feature, called the furin cleavage site, and without this feature there is no way this would be causing this pandemic.

“A proposal was leaked showing that EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were developing a pipeline for inserting novel furin cleavage sites. So, you find these scientists who said in early 2018 ‘I’m going to put horns on horses’ and at the end of 2019 a unicorn turns up in Wuhan city.”
 
Honestly I think they're saving their own necks politically and are condemning us to a potential, if it plays out like they say, extremely long lockdown compared to a potentially short one.
There are still several ways it can play out but agree the one certainly in life is politicians being more interested in saving their own political necks!
 
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