Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Ghost Rider]

I read that if all Labour MPs too voted no, this would have been rejected ? What a missed open goal by Keir.

Just said it in the Tory thread but labour have been spineless during this. Last year with the road map they didn't agree with at all but rather than force the government to rethink and resubmit it to a vote, they voted for it anyway. Just because they didn't want to have nothing in place.

Like everyone would just flood out their houses on mass for a day!

That's been part of the problem throughout this , even if something hasn't been the best course of action , it's never been challenged. So if you think the government may not be handling the pandemic properly at times, labour have been right there failing to push back on it.

Makes you wonder what the point is, seeing as though the rebels yesterday wasn't rejecting the entirety of the plan b measures , just the ones nobody outside the government wanted ....

 

[neil999]

I read that if all Labour MPs too voted no, this would have been rejected ? What a missed open goal by Keir.

Public opinion is on their side

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Public opinion is on their side

British public demands more restrictions?

 

[neil999]

British public demands more restrictions?

They support them yes

 

[grandjoeblue]

Restrictions can be justified but where is the support for the industries damaged by these measures? Over 30% drop off in hospitality.

When are they reviewing the measures again? I thought it would be done before Christmas but I just heard on the radio there are no current plans for additional restrictions?

 

[Ghost Rider]

They support them yes

My question to you would be , would the public still support them if the variant was being reported the same way as in South Africa?

Where they are downplaying it based on their data and experience?

Restrictions can be justified but where is the support for the industries damaged by these measures? Over 30% drop off in hospitality.

When are they reviewing the measures again? I thought it would be done before Christmas but I just heard on the radio there are no current plans for additional restrictions?

They said there was no plans for plan b

Nothing changed data wise and then we got 2 lots of retrictions in a week.

So your guess is as good as mine ?

 

[neil999]

My question to you would be , would the public still support them if the variant was being reported the same way as in South Africa?

Where they are downplaying it based on their data and experience?

They said there was no plans for plan b

Nothing changed data wise and then we got 2 lots of retrictions in a week.

So your guess is as good as mine ?

I dunno, you can say that for any political point of view

 

[Deleted member 48881]

 

[Amw79]

My question to you would be , would the public still support them if the variant was being reported the same way as in South Africa?

Where they are downplaying it based on their data and experience?

They said there was no plans for plan b

Nothing changed data wise and then we got 2 lots of retrictions in a week.

So your guess is as good as mine ?

Bit of a contradiction this. There was a plan. It was called Plan B, and they published it in early November alongside Plan A.

What changed to make them instigate Plan B, was the evidence around the high transmissibility of Omicron.

 

[TN Toffee]

What possible good is keeping what has to be a tiny number of people locked away in a hotel room for another 24 hours at this point? The omicron horse left the barn ages ago.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I dunno, you can say that for any political point of view

It isn't a point of view though in all fairness , South Africa are providing data / facts.

We are publishing worst case scenario headlines and emphasising a single death with the variant like it's a new thing.

Two completely different ways of presenting the same thing. One is data and the other is opinion.

Bit of a contradiction this. There was a plan. It was called Plan B, and they published it in early November alongside Plan A.

What changed to make them instigate Plan B, was the evidence around the high transmissibility of Omicron.

There was , but as of right now from all the data we know , there is no justification for clamping down to such an extent based on the variant. You can understand to a fair extent precaution in the face of it.

All that will happen is we will move closer to a lockdown more and more , maybe even lock down completely for this milder version and the justification will be the measures worked , even if they changed nothing but impact lives.

I'm just not a believer that South Africa are an entirely different species to us, so I would expect similar biological experience to them, and the notion that the 120 million vaccines (just under 100 million more than South Africa) to make a huge difference given what it's designed to do.

But that is just me.

 

[Martin Alvito]

What possible good is keeping what has to be a tiny number of people locked away in a hotel room for another 24 hours at this point? The omicron horse left the barn ages ago.

Politics is the art of producing solutions that appear to work to the median voter, not solutions that actually work.

Interact that on this:



and it gets a lot easier to understand the insanity that you see.

 

[ToffeeTim]

They support them yes

I'm not sure on this. They certainly don't in my social circles. I don't know 1 person who supports more restrictions.

These opinion polls you see on restrictions are a good laugh as well. Think I saw one where 30% of the public wanted schools shut. I can't believe for a second that's true but if it is, then our democracy is in one heck of a mess. I don't want to live in a country where 30% of people want schools shut lol

 

[efcfanwirral]

Restrictions can be justified but where is the support for the industries damaged by these measures? Over 30% drop off in hospitality.

When are they reviewing the measures again? I thought it would be done before Christmas but I just heard on the radio there are no current plans for additional restrictions?

Yeah they need that financial support right now - especially ahead of a traditionally busy weekend. We were going out for a meal Saturday and even we've cancelled it, and we're among the least bothered about it all. No personal sense of threat whatsoever, but ahead of Christmas and the isolation rules we won't go.

All of this for one day - livelihoods lost at the very least in this concrete scenario

And many many lives to be lost if the government's doomsday scenario turns out to be true. Realistically if its anywhere near as bad as they say it will be, we should be in lockdown now and forgetting about christmas

I can't work out if the fact that we're not reassures me that they're exaggerating or scares me that they think it'll happen but are putting themselves above everyone else again just because some might be unhappy at missing out on christmas.

In my eyes, now I've cancelled my last plan, I won't be doing anything until at least April if we're lucky. More wasted months

 

[Amw79]

There was , but as of right now from all the data we know , there is no justification for clamping down to such an extent based on the variant. You can understand to a fair extent precaution in the face of it.

All that will happen is we will move closer to a lockdown more and more , maybe even lock down completely for this milder version and the justification will be the measures worked , even if they changed nothing but impact lives.

I'm just not a believer that South Africa are an entirely different species to us, so I would expect similar biological experience to them, and the notion that the 120 million vaccines (just under 100 million more than South Africa) to make a huge difference given what it's designed to do.

But that is just me.

I don’t really think the measures brought in for plan B amount to ‘clamping down’ very much really.

Work from home if ya can. Masks inside. Vaccine pass or negative test for large events.

That’s it really.

Yeah, I’d expect the SA outcomes to be broadly similar to what we can expect here, with caveats around different population metrics, age cohorts, obesity levels, underlying conditions which could theoretically produce worse outcomes for us.

UK hospitalisations is the metric to watch for the next couple of weeks, I don’t foresee another lockdown, unless those hospitalisations went through the roof, and not sure a full lockdown would have my support, even if that hospitalisation data did get a bit spicey.