Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NorthernBlue]

Just one more and you can go back to normal mate. Pinky promise this time.

Oh ok then roll up my sleeve.

 

[grandjoeblue]

If I’m reading the UKHSA data tanle right that scenario would still put that person as 88 % vaccine efficiency vs infection and presumably higher for serious effects (am assuming this is a 2nd dose of Pfizer given the 30 year age)


Obviously small sample size as yet so things could well change in that table as get more data.

If I remember rightly barely anyone in SA has had the AZ vaccine? How would they know that 2 doses are almost ineffective?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

At what stage will you believe that lockdowns are not appropriate?

Because if you think we need a lockdown now, then you will think we need a lockdown every winter, because covid is staying for the foreseeable.

And the problems lockdowns cause are never part of the conversation either. It's almost like those with mental health problems, those missing out on education, those struggling with financial problems due to unemployment/lack of work, those suffering in isolation seperated from family, don't matter anymore. It makes me sad to be honest.

This is what this about in my opinion - They are trying to normalise the idea of winter restrictions to help the health service because there is no political will to make the changes required to help them. There is no justification for a lockdown this winter, and there is no evidence this variant is more severe, but there is still a lot of hysteria to restrict our lives.

If you don't think we can live a normal life now as a highly vaccinated population (like 90% of adults??), then you will never feel its right to go back to normal.

The idea that people who don't support a lockdown, somehow don't care about people, is utterly ludicrous as well.

When people stop dying unnecessarily...

Unfortunately we have a NHS that has been starved of funds this is the result people have voted for a bare minimum service because too many are sold on the normalization of low tax is good. However, the Government know letting this virus unabated will result in pictures of dying people in corridors. that's all bye the bye.

So if we get 100k Omricon exponential reported cases day by end December that's 1 million cases and get 1% conversion to hospital thats thousands of people. It does not even matter if those people will need oxygen/ventilation or not. They will take up services which are scarce as it is. Add staff absence and you’re in perfect storm territory for another lockdown...

And too many people are sold on the idea that vaccine was golden goose out of this, never was... Prevention is always better than the cure.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Drop in test positivity for SA is an encouraging sign that will start to see less cases there next week.

 

[Harryflashman]

Im not anti vacc , a denier or anything resembling any of that but this two doses bad/three doses good absolutely baffles me . I understand others probably get it and it makes perfect sense but honestly based on previous statements I struggle to reconcile it .

 

[LinekersLegs]

If I remember rightly barely anyone in SA has had the AZ vaccine? How would they know that 2 doses are almost ineffective?

Yep, SA is Pfizer and JNJ iirc (although JNJ similar vaccine type to AZ but only one dose).

The data is from UK, hence small sample sizes and why no data for two AZ recent doses as most are 1 or 2nd dose to younger groups or Pfizer boosters.

 

[Deckard2049]

When people stop dying unnecessarily...

Unfortunately we have a NHS that has been starved of funds this is the result people have voted for a bare minimum service because too many are sold on the normalization of low tax is good. However, the Government know letting this virus unabated will result in pictures of dying people in corridors. that's all bye the bye.

So if we get 100k Omricon exponential reported cases day by end December that's 1 million cases and get 1% conversion to hospital thats thousands of people. It does not even matter if those people will need oxygen/ventilation or not. They will take up services which are scarce as it is. Add staff absence and you’re in perfect storm territory for another lockdown...

And too many people are sold on the idea that vaccine was golden goose out of this, never was... Prevention is always better than the cure.

Do you even know what a vaccine is?

Definition of vaccine​

1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.

Here's the wording from the WHO:

Vaccination is a simple, safe, and effective way of protecting people against harmful diseases, before they come into contact with them.

Does that sound like prevention to you? So are you saying these vaccines aren't "real vaccines"?

 

[MikeH72]

Im not anti vacc , a denier or anything resembling any of that but this two doses bad/three doses good absolutely baffles me . I understand others probably get it and it makes perfect sense but honestly based on previous statements I struggle to reconcile it .

Careful, you’ll be considered anti-vax because you’ve only had two jabs. I wish I was joking.

 

[LinekersLegs]

"For Omicron, essentially no protective effect of 2 AZ doses" was probably enough to spook them utterly by itself tbh

Given the age groups involved - yep.

Of course that is effectiveness vs infection, vs serious disease still seems good but given we don’t have much data on that there were presumably some unpleasant hospitalization modeling results.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Do you even know what a vaccine is?

Definition of vaccine​

1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.

Here's the wording from the WHO:

Vaccination is a simple, safe, and effective way of protecting people against harmful diseases, before they come into contact with them.

Does that sound like prevention to you? So are you saying these vaccines aren't "real vaccines"?

I have rudimentary understanding, I can safely conclude that all vaccines are not equal... In particular new ones. Hopefully these for COVID will become more efficient for longer. I know many people like concrete black and white answer to their worries. However, I dont do bs tends to be counter productive. And any shadow of doubt if you offered the vaccine take it...

 

[Harryflashman]

Careful, you’ll be considered anti-vax because you’ve only had two jabs. I wish I was joking.

No I’ve had my booster , its just about this omicron efficacy. I’m guessing its reporting issues but I’m struggle to Follow how it evades 2 but the booster provides 75% when we . I thought , were told about antibodies and ages etc so an across the board message seems confusing . Genuinely its probably me not understanding the message , if it is just me though then maybe the message isn’t as clear as it should be .

 

[Harryflashman]

Given the age groups involved - yep.

Of course that is effectiveness vs infection, vs serious disease still seems good but given we don’t have much data on that there were presumably some unpleasant hospitalization modeling results.

Ok this is maybe its about the messaging around the age groups, if I’d seen it broken down by reporting into age groups that’d of at least made more sense . I’m talking about the general media by the way .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

No I’ve had my booster , its just about this omicron efficacy. I’m guessing its reporting issues but I’m struggle to Follow how it evades 2 but the booster provides 75% when we . I thought , were told about antibodies and ages etc so an across the board message seems confusing . Genuinely its probably me not understanding the message , if it is just me though then maybe the message isn’t as clear as it should be .

Happens with Hep vaccination some people will have the two and have the immunity others will require 3. And even then immunity will not be reached, that's enough to stop doing some jobs in professional health care. Did anyway in the early 00s.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Just one more and you can go back to normal mate. Pinky promise this time.

lol

 

[tsubaki]

Do you even know what a vaccine is?

Definition of vaccine​

1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.

Here's the wording from the WHO:

Vaccination is a simple, safe, and effective way of protecting people against harmful diseases, before they come into contact with them.

Does that sound like prevention to you? So are you saying these vaccines aren't "real vaccines"?

Prevention isn't just vaccination however, though the government and elements of the media have sought to portray it as such.

Vaccinating people absolutely results in fewer deaths and fewer hospitalizations than doing nothing does, but I'd have thought it was even more obvious now we are where we are (and it was pretty obvious before) that it does less than vaccinating and rigorously controlling the spread of harmful disease does.