Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

If people think there should be more restrictions then they are free to stay indoors and make their own choices. The rest of us want to get on with our lives and have accepted there will be a risk of this virus for the rest of our lives.

That's the problem with this country these days. Absolutely no initiative and everything thinks others should tell them what to do.

Not just your life is it, but there is little of note to do with that attitude...

Like I said earlier we have already seen an increase of restrictions to compulsory mask wearing to very stringent travel restrictions coming back in. Think I can safely say as others are too polite, "told you so".

 

[ToffeeTim]

This is just chanting the same mantra over and over again and calling it “evidence”.

Doing what we are doing now is killing 700-1000 people a week, and hospitalising many more.

The vaccines are working to keep those numbers lower than they would be otherwise (if they didn’t exist), but they are not returning us to normal; indeed what the government are doing is hardwiring us into a society where (as a minimum) boosters are going to be required for everyone for the foreseeable future without ever ruling out the possibility that further restrictions won’t be needed (in the event something like this happens).

There’s also the continual stress being placed on healthcare systems, businesses and society caused by this, and the death rate.

None of these things are worth the cost we will have to pay for them - we won’t be any better protected now, never mind for the next one. There are much better ways of getting back to a much greater version of normality.

I just don't agree that the version of test and trace you ask for will ever work in this country. It only works with very small case numbers and you need long term lockdowns to get to that point. That's why I don't agree.

You either want normality or not. So we have to accept this virus will almost certainly never be eradicated and then live our lives. It's just a disagreement of opinion we have, we want the same but I don't believe that track and trace can ever deliver it.

The health service needs long term structural change, rather than short term measures. I don't have all te answers because it's not my industry, but there seems to be a lack of political will. You have to start making changes at some point or things will never change. It's not all just about money either, there probably need to be tough decisions made,.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not just your life is it, but there is little of note to do with that attitude...

Like I said earlier we have already seen an increase of restrictions to compulsory mask wearing to very stringent travel restrictions coming back in. Think I can safely say as others are too polite, "told you so".

Masks have not stopped being compulsory where I live, so not sure what your point is. I'm not anti mask, and I am pro vaccine as they come, but I am very anti business being shut or people being told who they can have in their own private home. Those are things a government should have no say over.

 

[Walken]

These policies were sold as insignificant weeks-long interventions to reacquire control of virus replication. It will soon be 2 years. No idea why (or how) anyone is feeling anything other than pure resentment at most institutions/officials/media across the world right now who keep trying to push this pantomime forward, all with their own obvious vested interests but under the evidently fake (and cringe) guise of 'public health'.

These cretins have no idea the damage they’re doing. Or maybe they do.

Thats a bit of a blanket post, certainly this government has thrown away any trust and the resent against them should be collasal. Though, I have to say any sympathy I have for those who voted for them is wearing thin. Though the pandemic certainly isn't a pantomime and should still be taken seriously, there are plenty within various institutions working their balls off for the good of others, conflating the fervent profiteering of the some with the genuine work, concern and social responsibility of others is a dangerous path that lead to conspiracy theory shouts that don't really help anyone.

 

[Wolf8312]

Yes, I support vaccine mandates and passports, as they already exist. I have to show proof of vaccination every time I travel in South Africa and Madagascar. It is such a non-issue that I can't believe people pretend it's even a minor inconvenience. And here in the USA it is a requirement to have your kid vaccinated prior to enrolling in schools--this is why things like measles, polio, mumps, etc., no longer exist. Did you also know that we have to have a license to drive, buy alcohol, get into nightclubs, and get married? Sorry if that's mind-blowing news to you. And get this, there is this crazy system where you have to pay the government part of your income and they use the money to do things like pave roads and purify water. It's tyrannical. When will it end? WHEN WILL IT END?

As to lockdowns, I'm fine with putting up with them if makes the pandemic end sooner than later.

As to "this is the world my children will be growing up in"...if you are posting verbatim transcripts of as well-known antivaxxer Robert Kennedy Jr, then please do not have children if it's not too late. I mean that very sincerely.

As to the Rittenhouse trial, my opinion is there was a large disconnect between what lawyers had to demonstrate in court, what was reported in the media, and the broader structural issue of too many guns on the street + highly politicized rhetoric from our past president.

What about special camps for the unvaccinated as in Australia? Are you in favour of them too?

 

[woomy]

Anyone know if there’s any truth in this?

Who knows.
What I can tell you. Lat week I was really bad with something. I failed 3 home tests. All on separate days. Got 2 proper tests and both came back negative.
Then took a 4th home test from a different batch. Positive again.
Speaking to work,.and some have been in the same situation.
So I would say, there is an issue somewhere. Would love to know which test is the wrong result.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

This is just chanting the same mantra over and over again and calling it “evidence”.

Doing what we are doing now is killing 700-1000 people a week, and hospitalising many more.

The vaccines are working to keep those numbers lower than they would be otherwise (if they didn’t exist), but they are not returning us to normal; indeed what the government are doing is hardwiring us into a society where (as a minimum) boosters are going to be required for everyone for the foreseeable future without ever ruling out the possibility that further restrictions won’t be needed (in the event something like this happens).

There’s also the continual stress being placed on healthcare systems, businesses and society caused by this, and the death rate.

None of these things are worth the cost we will have to pay for them - we won’t be any better protected now, never mind for the next one. There are much better ways of getting back to a much greater version of normality.

This is the most irritating thing for me... In 2 years, we've completely failed to invest in healthcare recruitment and infrastructure that would eliminate the need for restrictions. Our government has learned nothing.

 

[tsubaki]

I just don't agree that the version of test and trace you ask for will ever work in this country. It only works with very small case numbers and you need long term lockdowns to get to that point. That's why I don't agree.

You either want normality or not. So we have to accept this virus will almost certainly never be eradicated and then live our lives. It's just a disagreement of opinion we have, we want the same but I don't believe that track and trace can ever deliver it.

The health service needs long term structural change, rather than short term measures. I don't have all te answers because it's not my industry, but there seems to be a lack of political will. You have to start making changes at some point or things will never change. It's not all just about money either, there probably need to be tough decisions made,.

We’ve got to that point of having very low case rates mafter each of the national lockdowns though; we could have done it and it would have massively helped keep case rates, deaths and hospitalisations low.

I appreciate it’s probably never going to happen because they’ve taken the decision to have this madness instead and damn the consequences, but it’s well wide of the mark to rule it out. After all, doing that is what has resulted in the countries that have done well in this crisis doing well. Less deaths, less cases, fewer lockdowns, less economic damage. What we’ve done instead is crazy.

 

[grandjoeblue]

We’ve got to that point of having very low case rates mafter each of the national lockdowns though; we could have done it and it would have massively helped keep case rates, deaths and hospitalisations low.

I appreciate it’s probably never going to happen because they’ve taken the decision to have this madness instead and damn the consequences, but it’s well wide of the mark to rule it out. After all, doing that is what has resulted in the countries that have done well in this crisis doing well. Less deaths, less cases, fewer lockdowns, less economic damage. What we’ve done instead is crazy.

It has worked for some countries but Australia has had the longest lockdowns in the world hasn't it and they are a exemplar nation for your model?

 

[woomy]

This is the most irritating thing for me... In 2 years, we've completely failed to invest in healthcare recruitment and infrastructure that would eliminate the need for restrictions. Our government has learned nothing.

Healthcare recruitment could be solved easily. Especially nurses. Pay students when on placement.
I know a load of HCA's and support workers who would love to be a nurse. But just can't afford it. Cause for 2300 hours of placement's, you don't get paid.
It's just not tenable, if you have family and commitments.

 

[Prevenger17]

Yes I am aware of that, and you in turn responded to the question whereupon I responded to your response and asked you to back up your claims! Instead of doing this you responded by saying it was off topic!

Lol. 'Kinell

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

Thats a bit of a blanket post, certainly this government has thrown away any trust and the resent against them should be collasal. Though, I have to say any sympathy I have for those who voted for them is wearing thin. Though the pandemic certainly isn't a pantomime and should still be taken seriously, there are plenty within various institutions working their balls off for the good of others, conflating the fervent profiteering of the some with the genuine work, concern and social responsibility of others is a dangerous path that lead to conspiracy theory shouts that don't really help anyone.

 

[Wolf8312]

Lol. 'Kinell

Kinell mate I didn’t realise you were a scouser?

 

[tsubaki]

It has worked for some countries but Australia has had the longest lockdowns in the world hasn't it and they are a exemplar nation for your model?

They’ve not had a national lockdown, several state lockdowns (imposed early enough that they stopped outbreaks before they spread too far) and they’ve had 2000 deaths in total.

Also they are an advert for lockdown policy, not what I wanted to do.

 

[BlueToff]

They’ve not had a national lockdown, several state lockdowns (imposed early enough that they stopped outbreaks before they spread too far) and they’ve had 2000 deaths in total.

Also they are an advert for lockdown policy, not what I wanted to do.

Australia's regional lockdown policy has caused uproar in the country and has been widely regarded as ludicrous.

Their state premiers have started to sound like the president from the Hunger Games.

Their vaccine roll out was crap when it should have been quick and easy and that's why they had to stay in lockdown for so long.

It's not a country that should be lauded. Their federal government is awful and their state ones have gone way, way too far.