Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kev The Rat]

The vaccines to my mind have limited/no effect and are just an way of justifying business as usual to society.

the infection rates and death rates are far too high and prove that point, which is why we are moving back towards a new lockdown.

 

[bluelife]

The vaccines to my mind have limited/no effect and are just an way of justifying business as usual to society.

the infection rates and death rates are far too high and prove that point, which is why we are moving back towards a new lockdown.

Last winter 80k cases translates to roughly 1500 deaths.
Right now, 45k cases translates to roughly 150 deaths.

Same kind of ratios for hospitalisations. How can you say the vaccine has limited/no effect?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Last winter 80k cases translates to roughly 1500 deaths.
Right now, 45k cases translates to roughly 150 deaths.

Same kind of ratios for hospitalisations. How can you say the vaccine has limited/no effect?

Cases clearly are not low enough to not justify further restrictions/lockdowns.

Just looking at yesterdays data - 42k - exactly one year prior - 12k.

So unfortunately, you are talking nonsense.

Vaccine has been rolled out completely now, which is wasnt then as well.

We were told we could go back to normal with the vaccine

That was a lie.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Cases clearly Not low enough to not justify further restrictions/lockdowns

Vaccine or not.

We were told we could go back to normal with the vaccine

That was a lie.

The new measures are all down to the new variant not because of current case levels.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The new measures are all down to the new variant not because of current case levels.

So you say mr. medical expert.

They have used this so called 'variant' to save face over failed vaccines with regard out of control case numbers.

 

[efcfanwirral]

I am slightly concerned that these have been the rules in Wales/Scotland for quite a long time and cases in both are comparable to England. Will this be enough to stop the new advanced variant?

I'd say 100% not. Germany insists on actual medical grade masks in public places and look at them.

It clearly spreads with close contact, in homes and workplaces etc. Social distancing and lockdowns are the only way its ever been slightly controlled. Schools have to stay open too so there will be a base level the whole time

I think we're on the road to a lockdown January til April. I'm just hoping the April opening is a full one, and we don't have to wait til June or July again

 

[efcfanwirral]

So you say mr. medical expert.

They have used this so called 'variant' to save face over failed vaccines with regard out of control case numbers.

Don't worry the 4th and 5th in the spring will stop it I'm sure... (as I'd guess these updated ones for the variant will end up being 2 doses if it's essentially a new vaccine)

 

[grandjoeblue]

So you say mr. medical expert.

They have used this so called 'variant' to save face over failed vaccines with regard out of control case numbers.

Surely if cases were out of control hospitalisations would be too? Or are they hiding that information?

The 7 day average for hospitalisations is about 25% lower than it was a month ago.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Don't worry the 4th and 5th in the spring will stop it I'm sure... (as I'd guess these updated ones for the variant will end up being 2 doses if it's essentially a new vaccine)

I actually had the double vaccine because in all honesty I believed it would protect me. Its obviously bs, the vaccine is as good as water.

 

[mill]

Cases clearly are not low enough to not justify further restrictions/lockdowns.

Just looking at yesterdays data - 42k - exactly one year prior - 12k.

So unfortunately, you are talking nonsense.

Vaccine has been rolled out completely now, which is wasnt then as well.

We were told we could go back to normal with the vaccine

That was a lie.

We went into lockdown in October 2020 which is why cases fell dramatically in November.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Surely if cases were out of control hospitalisations would be too? Or are they hiding that information?

The 7 day average for hospitalisations is about 25% lower than it was a month ago.

42k vs 12k - you do the maths.

 

[Kev The Rat]

We went into lockdown in October 2020 which is why cases fell dramatically in November.

exactly my point.

 

[mill]

exactly my point.

Well no, what you were saying is vaccines don’t work. Which is incorrect.

 

[grandjoeblue]

42k vs 12k - you do the maths.

I said hospitalisations not cases? Cases don't matter if they don't get really ill.

Last year on the 20th November (last available date) 7 day average was 1580 for hospitalisations. This year it's currently at about 760.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Well no, what you were saying is vaccines don’t work. Which is incorrect.

im saying lockdowns do work, no evidence that vaccines work at all.