Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

No, because I wasn’t calling for another lockdown. I want to make sure lockdowns don’t happen again. Why do you want one?

But your plan doesn't work without a lockdown?

 

[degsy]

We've already had a mutated variation come from these shores (Kent I believe?), so the answer to the question can it mutate to something more dangerous is a big fat yes. Anything more transmissible has the effect that it could kill more people, the worry about this variant is how different it is so may be susceptible to easier changes. Then add into the mix we already have around 50k of new cases a day during flu season and it's not hard to think that eventually you could have a delta +.

Now as said it may come to nothing but that's what people were saying when this was only killing people in China, SARS and MERS didn't cause any damage to us so why worry? A little restriction on day to day life is sensible to prevent the massive damage caused by a lockdown, even if the risk is minimal. If you are this against the new rules I can imagine how you would be if the hospitalisation rates go up and the government introduce a 2 month lockdown where people's livelihoods and mental health are at severe risk.

Given that isn't it worth a small over reaction to protect/minimise against something far more damaging if it actually ends up being the worst case scenario?

Reports out of S Africa are saying, yes it's more transmissible but it's less severe. The virus can sometimes trade transmissability for virulence.

Nobody has come out and said its nearly 'just' another Flu, but it maybe heading that way - hopefully

 

[tsubaki]

But your plan doesn't work without a lockdown?

Sorry, are you arguing that to deal with this crisis is impossible because of the crisis? What a strange take.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Sorry, are you arguing that to deal with this crisis is impossible because of the crisis? What a strange take.

No I'm saying that not everyone believes your solution is the correct solution. I don't think a lengthy lockdown is the correct option at this stage.

 

[Cool_Blue]

“mythical” isn’t the right word to use when it exists, you know - it just doesn’t exist here

I know you keep going on about this, as if everyone will just follow the rules like responsible citizens. We have a minority who are not unfortunately. They can even be arsed to wear masks in shops or on the bus. Imagine them getting a text telling them to self isolate when they’re heading off to Tenerife the next day. No chance, it’s unenforceable, that’s the reality I’m afraid.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Little fact , the original alpha covid killed far more people than any other variant and we were in total lockdown for 3 months whilst it was spreading around the country (and world).

When Delta came here, the vaccine program was still only being targeted to the older generations and front line workers.

Each variant of covid has been less effective and now we have a population anti bodied up, something that was missing at the very start.

Like I said, there is absolutely no evidence of covid mutating to get worse and signs so far is that it's infection rate increases but it's symptoms / mortality decreases each time, knowledge and experience both included and excluded. Covid getting worse is still a fairy tale that has not happened despite the billions of infections around the world. That doesn't mean we should pretend that everything is ok but at the same time we shouldn't be living in fear of a 'what if' scenario that hasn't happened no matter how many times it has been said.

We can all live taking precautions but we can't live fearing an unknown that is yet to happen, otherwise all of this never ends and nobody will accept that.

In terms of Sars, i.e Sars cov 1 (covid being 2 , so therefore similar) , it only didn't have the same effect because China contained it before it could spread, think it only made it to a couple of neighboring countries. But Sars and covid are very similar , covid being stronger in its survivability clearly. But if it HAD spread then all of this would have happened in 2003, similar virus, similar transmission, similar symptoms.

Well why didn't you say earlier? We can get shut of Whitty, Vallance and Van-Tam as Ghost Rider has looked at all the data and says we can carry on as normal.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Reports out of S Africa are saying, yes it's more transmissible but it's less severe. The virus can sometimes trade transmissability for virulence.

Nobody has come out and said its nearly 'just' another Flu, but it maybe heading that way - hopefully

Yes, but according to the BBC we’re all gonna die

 

[tsubaki]

I know you keep going on about this, as if everyone will just follow the rules like responsible citizens. We have a minority who are not unfortunately. They can even be arsed to wear masks in shops or on the bus. Imagine them getting a text telling them to self isolate when they’re heading off to Tenerife the next day. No chance, it’s unenforceable, that’s the reality I’m afraid.

Not the best example that - I mean, we would be able to do something about those people in that set of circumstances (ie: stop them from getting on the plane).

I agree people would try to cheat it, but just because they would isn’t justification to do nothing - something should be done about that sort of behaviour, not allow them to ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Well why didn't you say earlier. We can get shut of Whitty, Vallance and Van-Tam as Ghost Rider has looked at all the data and says we can carry on as normal.

Have they said the virus is getting worse? Please link me to where they have said covid is getting worse because I missed that in the news tbh.

Otherwise I'm not saying anything different to what is in the news every day and using my own head to link the different stories together.

The funny thing is people all over the internet went on about evidence and scientists and this and that for so long not to listen to any other point of view. Now we have evidence and data and scientists saying things and that's not good enough. South Africa are some of the best people in the world for viruses and they have said it's mild, but clearly people don't want to accept that, all they want is a worst case scenario instead.

 

[jackyboy]

What is the situation with the time limit on cancellation? Free cancellation up to the night before seems perfect tbf, I would probably book it if I can get that

Can cancel hotel up to midnight on Thursday. So just hoping we know either way by then, you'd like to think any major changes to the rules would be in next 48 hours.

 

[degsy]

Yes, but according to the BBC we’re all gonna die

Google quote by Mandy Rice Davis
Or

 

[Cool_Blue]

Not the best example that - I mean, we would be able to do something about those people in that set of circumstances (ie: stop them from getting on the plane).

I agree people would try to cheat it, but just because they would isn’t justification to do nothing - something should be done about that sort of behaviour, not allow them to ruin it for the rest of us.

And your suggestion to deal with these morons, is what? Banging up thousands of people in some offshore floating covid prison? Fine them? They’re not arsed, that’s the bottom line.

 

[tsubaki]

And your suggestion to deal with these morons, is what? Banging up thousands of people in some offshore floating covid prison? Fine them? They’re not arsed, that’s the bottom line.

Shaming them is probably the best way, provided you’ve removed all the genuine reasons why someone might do it.

 

[Dharma]

Good Lord.

Here's a nice chart from the CDC
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2c/

*note to use this data you must use it collectively. You cannot cherry pick one study nor ignore the limitations

Good Lord Indeed.

The CDC says, as i'm sure your aware, that IVM is still being "Evaluated" as an Anti-Viral for Covid-19.
I'm Still looking for evidence it doesn't work.

The only recommended treatment by the CDC is Remdesivir, at a cost of $2340 for a 5 day course.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Not the best example that - I mean, we would be able to do something about those people in that set of circumstances (ie: stop them from getting on the plane).

I agree people would try to cheat it, but just because they would isn’t justification to do nothing - something should be done about that sort of behaviour, not allow them to ruin it for the rest of us.

And your suggestion to deal with these morons, is what? Banging up thousands of people in some offshore floating covid prison? Fine them? They’re not arsed, that’s the bottom line.

The uncomfortable truth is that masks won't help- staying at home and not being around others is all that can properly control the virus- we've seen this the entire time.

We can be turned on each other easily, but assigning the blame for increasing cases over winter to people not wearing masks in a limited number of settings is divisive and pointless

Every one of us who leave the house (Wednesday night?) and spends time around others in the next couple of weeks is to blame for spreading this new variant if we get 2 weeks down the line and the worst case scenario about what it can do is realised.

Im not daying this in a blame way, I've got a busy week ahead. Just don't get caught up on the small stuff