Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tigger]

Weird stuff

State of that lol

 

[Deleted member 48881]

My take on it is that if people aren't able to take basic steps, like wearing a mask, until such point as the world is vaccinated and variants stop emerging, then slightly harsher measures are likely.

I doubt entire world population will ever be fully vaccinated...It won't even reach %80. (Not talking about adult population, that may happen)

 

[Wat Tyler]

Completely understand pal. We've had this booked for a while and free cancellation on hotel and flights upto the night before. Would imagine we'll know one way or another by then. Although being honest I'm leaning towards more we'll probably go rather than not. Don't know if Biden will want to shut the borders so soon after opening

What is the situation with the time limit on cancellation? Free cancellation up to the night before seems perfect tbf, I would probably book it if I can get that

 

[BlueToff]

You literally just said that the state coming to someone’s house to test them (after that person reported illness) sounded like communism. You literally just said that measures which would help control this was boring you. Do you want to go back to normality or not?

Well that doesn't happen right now does it... that's why I said I'm not affected?

No, I said you were being boring saying people were idiots for wanting this over with. You insist that your idea is the only way out of it... And i think that's weird that you want the government to go around to people's houses, is all.

Sorry for getting angry/using the phrase 'boring'. It was a poor choice of word. I saw the 'idiocy' comment and it annoyed me, apologies.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Oh - and I don’t think people who want done with this are idiots. I think people who want done with this but refuse to do anything to actually bring that about are idiots.

I mean, if someone wanted a cake but then refused to make one, buy one or do anything else to bring a cake about I’d probably think they were idiots too.

In fairness you do think your mythical impossible to implement test and trace system is the answer though. Calling people idiots just because they don't think it's feasible isn't right really.

Most are happy to wear masks etc but rightly they want balanced measures.

 

[BlueToff]

Oh - and I don’t think people who want done with this are idiots. I think people who want done with this but refuse to do anything to actually bring that about are idiots.

I mean, if someone wanted a cake but then refused to make one, buy one or do anything else to bring a cake about I’d probably think they were idiots too.

Okay but just because your plan of having this government-home testing thing isn't in place doesn't mean people don't want to do anything about it?

Loads of people are testing every single day, loads of people are still isolating, loads of people are going to get their vaccines and boosters, loads of places I go have still had mask mandates for staff and customers even - there's a few coffee shops I go to that have been that way all along even since July.

 

[Ghost Rider]

We've already had a mutated variation come from these shores (Kent I believe?), so the answer to the question can it mutate to something more dangerous is a big fat yes. Anything more transmissible has the effect that it could kill more people, the worry about this variant is how different it is so may be susceptible to easier changes. Then add into the mix we already have around 50k of new cases a day during flu season and it's not hard to think that eventually you could have a delta +.

Now as said it may come to nothing but that's what people were saying when this was only killing people in China, SARS and MERS didn't cause any damage to us so why worry? A little restriction on day to day life is sensible to prevent the massive damage caused by a lockdown, even if the risk is minimal. If you are this against the new rules I can imagine how you would be if the hospitalisation rates go up and the government introduce a 2 month lockdown where people's livelihoods and mental health are at severe risk.

Given that isn't it worth a small over reaction to protect/minimise against something far more damaging if it actually ends up being the worst case scenario?

Little fact , the original alpha covid killed far more people than any other variant and we were in total lockdown for 3 months whilst it was spreading around the country (and world).

When Delta came here, the vaccine program was still only being targeted to the older generations and front line workers.

Each variant of covid has been less effective and now we have a population anti bodied up, something that was missing at the very start.

Like I said, there is absolutely no evidence of covid mutating to get worse and signs so far is that it's infection rate increases but it's symptoms / mortality decreases each time, knowledge and experience both included and excluded. Covid getting worse is still a fairy tale that has not happened despite the billions of infections around the world. That doesn't mean we should pretend that everything is ok but at the same time we shouldn't be living in fear of a 'what if' scenario that hasn't happened no matter how many times it has been said.

We can all live taking precautions but we can't live fearing an unknown that is yet to happen, otherwise all of this never ends and nobody will accept that.

In terms of Sars, i.e Sars cov 1 (covid being 2 , so therefore similar) , it only didn't have the same effect because China contained it before it could spread, think it only made it to a couple of neighboring countries. But Sars and covid are very similar , covid being stronger in its survivability clearly. But if it HAD spread then all of this would have happened in 2003, similar virus, similar transmission, similar symptoms.

 

[tsubaki]

Well that doesn't happen right now does it... that's why I said I'm not affected?

No, I said you were being boring saying people were idiots for wanting this over with. You insist that your idea is the only way out of it... And i think that's weird that you want the government to go around to people's houses, is all.

Where have I said that my idea is the only way out of it? I’ve just pointed to the undoubted success other countries have had using those measures - lower cases, lower deaths, lower hospitalisations, fewer days under lockdown, less economic damage. Why wouldn’t anyone want that here, given the price we’ve paid so far?

Also are you really thinking it’s weird for the government to go around to peoples houses? I mean that’s something that (but for privatisation taking it over) literally happens for the majority of the country every weekday already.

Does freedom now consist of going to a test centre yourselves rather than the test coming to you?

 

[tsubaki]

In fairness you do think your mythical impossible to implement test and trace system is the answer though. Calling people idiots just because they don't think it's feasible isn't right really.

Most are happy to wear masks etc but rightly they want balanced measures.

“mythical” isn’t the right word to use when it exists, you know - it just doesn’t exist here

 

[grandjoeblue]

“mythical” isn’t the right word to use when it exists, you know - it just doesn’t exist here

You are fully aware that the idea would require a 5 or 6 month full lockdown to get cases to the level where it's even remotely possible. Even then with a variant like Delta it quickly becomes unmanageable.

 

[BlueToff]

Where have I said that my idea is the only way out of it? I’ve just pointed to the undoubted success other countries have had using those measures - lower cases, lower deaths, lower hospitalisations, fewer days under lockdown, less economic damage. Why wouldn’t anyone want that here, given the price we’ve paid so far?

Also are you really thinking it’s weird for the government to go around to peoples houses? I mean that’s something that (but for privatisation taking it over) literally happens for the majority of the country every weekday already.

Does freedom now consist of going to a test centre yourselves rather than the test coming to you?

I've edited my post now to apologise for the boring comment, it wasn't on.

Well, you keep pointing to this success but I've yet to see it. You basically just use South Korea as an example and it used to be Thailand too?

No other European nation is having any success, for example. I want it, we all want lower cases, fewer days in lockdown. I just don't see any country that is in any way comparable to the UK having any success at that though.

The government don't currently, bar under criminal circumstances, have people going round to people's houses to make them quarantine and start tracking their every step. Btw, I fully agree that there needs to be support for people who have to isolate. One of those things should IMO be free release PCR tests etc for people who are asymptomatic.

 

[BlueToff]

What is the situation with the time limit on cancellation? Free cancellation up to the night before seems perfect tbf, I would probably book it if I can get that

My cousin was meant to go to NYC this week. Because she had to cancel within the last 2 weeks (she had covid) she hasn't got a refund or anything - which just shows what a rip off it is, as the vast majority of people would only find out they couldn't go 2 weeks before...

 

[tsubaki]

You are fully aware that the idea would require a 5 or 6 month full lockdown to get cases to the level where it's even remotely possible. Even then with a variant like Delta it quickly becomes unmanageable.

Would it? What’s that based on, given we’ve had two national lockdowns that reduced cases to a low level but lasted three months and four months respectively?

 

[grandjoeblue]

Would it? What’s that based on, given we’ve had two national lockdowns that reduced cases to a low level but lasted three months and four months respectively?

To get it a low enough level I'd suggest it would take 6 months but ok let's go with 4 months then. So everyone who doesn't support another lengthy lockdown is an idiot?

 

[tsubaki]

To get it a low enough level I'd suggest it would take 6 months but ok let's go with 4 months then. So everyone who doesn't support another lengthy lockdown is an idiot?

No, because I wasn’t calling for another lockdown. I want to make sure lockdowns don’t happen again. Why do you want one?