lol Im glad we had that discussion during the week on informed consent and human rights mate. lol
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but here is my cry baby conspiracy.
Imagine being so obstinate about a simple act that could help save a few lives or ease the horrific burden on health staff. People at gigs may well have to show QR codes for vaccinations and tests so it isn't the same thing.
There are still mandatory mask mandates on air travel while people have been going to gigs, I don't see that as a loophole with all travellers being a metaphorical mouse in a maze for evil over lord whitty
In every way possible that's unrelated to the subject matter at hand, but sure.
Diogenes the Cynic
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People don't have to use hospitality, it's a choice. Therefore everyone in there has made the decision to fully accept the associated risks.
People have to go to shops and use public transport. It's fair to have a mask policy that protects those who are trying to minimise the risk to themselves and others.
I wear a mask on public transport/shop. I dont wear one in the pub because I've chosen to take the risk and I assume every else in there has too.
It's a simple transaction of human decency in the face of a highly contagious virus.
People who aren't up to it can just bore off I suppose.
People have to go to shops and use public transport. It's fair to have a mask policy that protects those who are trying to minimise the risk to themselves and others.
I wear a mask on public transport/shop. I dont wear one in the pub because I've chosen to take the risk and I assume every else in there has too.
It's a simple transaction of human decency in the face of a highly contagious virus.
People who aren't up to it can just bore off I suppose.
oh understand it's a concern but even the scientists that have most stressed it's a concern have also said it's just that - a concern - and that there's no evidence of the vaccines not offering some form of protection. And if people have natural antibodies to boot as well as the vaccines...
I think its more to do with everyone needs to go to the supermarket or take the bus etc.
Going to hospitality is optional, not everyone wants to do it, there is no human necessity to do it, unlike buying food and groceries. You also cant wear a mask eating and drinking. I think its impractical in hospitality to have masks, especially to enforce.
Not legally enforced and the venues don't actually do it. There's no justification whatsoever for a mask mandate that leaves out hospitality - it's a half measure. Completely pointless.
Oh sorry, yeah they put those on the red list yesterday. But this is the first time they've applied blanket approach to everywhere else
Not even a little bit, its exactly the same thing, mandate/consent. You can frame the optics any way you like, but a little bit different when its applied to your own situation and decision making.
Yes but the problem is, if you have a situation where there's something so dangerous that everyone who enters a supermarket needs a mask, then there's a clear contradiction between that and allowing pubs and gigs to stay open. It doesn't make any sense.
Diogenes the Cynic
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See my post above, I just don't see why in some areas people can't take basic precautions for the sake of others.
I go out to watch live music every week, pub, restaurants, never wear a mask at any of them.
In a shop and on a bus I do it automatically now. Not forever hopefully but at least for now. And not for me, the masks have always been about other people.
and @Tubey
this was always my thing when people were screaming and crying about masks being mandatory or not earlier in the year. I couldn't care less about wearing one or not to go to the shop or whatever, but when I go to gigs or a match then no, I'm not wearing a mask. Why would I go to a gig and wear a mask and reduce the thing that I'm there to do?
My counterpoint was that the logic, as Tim points out here, is that you're much more likely to go to the supermarket than a gig. I've been to the shops 3 times this week. I don't go to 3 gigs a week (I mean, I went to 3 in 10 days earlier this month but that was all because of COVID condensing it, my next one isn't until late March).
Your right of course mate, we dont know, its showing red flags to be cautious though. The worry is antibodies and vaccines might not be as protective as with other vairents. I agree in the main though, we are in fact finding now. But the clever play is to be cautious. Happy to see the UK implement some restrictions to be honest. LL is posting some encouraging anecdotal info.
I haven't said the government can't mandate it. I said it's a stupid half measure.
The government are completely within their rights to mandate it and enforce it. I'm within my rights to ignore it and accept whatever happens.
Similarly, doctors should be mandated to be vaccinated, and doctors can choose to be vaccinated or stop being doctors.
So, again, it's completely unrelated and even if you wanted to draw some weird parallel, my position is exactly the same.
I do get that, but those places - hospitality sector, gigs etc - have been hit so hard by this. They need to stay open and unaffected as much as possible. If people wearing a mask when they go to a shop allows that to happen, surely it's a fairer trade off than all of them being shut or all of them having to be wearing masks like it was in April or last year?
Just playing devil's advocate.
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