tsubaki
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I know, so why do you and the rest want to pretend otherwise? How many lockdowns do you want before it dawns on you that it’s “returning to normal” in abnormal times that helps bring them about?
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I know, so why do you and the rest want to pretend otherwise? How many lockdowns do you want before it dawns on you that it’s “returning to normal” in abnormal times that helps bring them about?
I'm not against measures such as masks in public spaces/transport, or even testing for certain events - albeit it would be a pain - 'on the door' as such. Or having to have evidence of double vaccination. It's not ideal but it's the way it's going to have to be.
However, that only washes if those things allow everything else to happen. That's a fair trade off.
grandjoeblue
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You act like its a virus with a death rate of Ebola. The statistics are out there for double vaccinated people and the death rates are manageable. The fact is COVID will be killing people for the next 20+ years and the world needs to adjust. The UK model will be adopted by all countries from 2022 onwards.
tsubaki
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Don’t want endless lockdowns? Then perhaps we should stop the circumstances coming about whereby the government is forced to bring them in.
I don't. We just don't need to be shutting things down. We aren't 'back to normal' and might never be.
I didn't have to, before March 2020, show evidence of double vaccine or do a test for an illness before going to gigs - I've had to do both of those things for the 3 gigs I went to over the last few weeks, just as an example.
It's fine, it is what it is, but the trade off is that you do those things - and we should have masks mandatory in public spaces IMO, albeit there'd be some gray areas there too (nobody is wearing a mask going to see a gig unless it's a sit-down theatre type thing, for example), as another little tool to try and negate the spread as much as possible.
But those rules should only be in place to then allow the rest of life to carry on as close to normal as possible.
There is no justification at this point for lockdowns. There is nothing else to say. No government has been forced into lockdowns this autumn - they made policy decisions. I find it truly baffling that anyone can support lockdowns at this point.
Any government who feels it is appropriate to restrict the freedoms of vaccinated people is not one which I can support. The normalising of taking away individual freedoms will be terrible for society.
tsubaki
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A hundred people a day plus have been dying after a positive test for this in the UK and have been for the past few weeks.
Are you really calling that “manageable”?
But we haven't gone back into lockdown at all despite the panic and frenzy over the last few months that we would do.
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grandjoeblue
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Important to note that 100 people is roughly around 7% of the UK deaths per day. People die its part of life, in an ideal world we'd have zero covid but there is absolutely no chance of that happening.
Obviously I think everyone should be vaccinated, especially old people and people who work or live with them but I do not support any further lockdowns for a virus thats here to stay.
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And world still let this taking place
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we never punished them.
tsubaki
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The only justification for lockdowns comes from the virus infecting that many people that it results in a much increased number of deaths (either from the disease directly or from the health service being overwhelmed).
I don’t want that, you don’t want that - no one wants that. The thing I am trying to point out to you and others is that what you are calling for makes that more likely to happen.
Tsuabaki doesn't support lockdown either. They just support other restrictions to stop those lockdowns happening. I think that's the crucial point.
I support measures, not any restrictions at this point. I don't see having to wear a mask, if they bring that back in, as a restriction. I don't see working from home as a massive restriction. I do see shutting down businesses, not allowing people to go to certain places or not allowing unvaccinated people to mix with society as restrictions, though.
How do you propose we stop people dying from any cause within 28 days of a positive test?
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