Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ToffeeTim]

This is what happens when people obsess over case numbers. And it’s why people on the whole don’t care anymore. Imagine trying to convince your normal civilian that vaccines were the the way to return to normality but then you move the goalposts whereby they are no longer enough and you’re still expected to wear masks and socially distance after being vaccinated.

Also somewhere like Gibraltar really exposes the flaws in a vaccine passport system. Either make testing mandatory or don’t bother with any restrictions. If I cared about feeling safe I would much rather know everyone at a location had tested negative than if they’d been vaccinated when it comes to transmission of the virus.

The media and politicians are out of touch with the public. They were supported for 18 months, there was even better adherence than was expected.

But now everyone has moved on and wants to live their lives whilst accepting the risk. If there are restrictions this winter then they will be normalised as something that should be done every year. That's not something that should happen. We need to be allowed to live normal lives.

I don't know one person who is obsessed with case numbers yet it is mentioned every single day on the news. People are tired of the negativity. I'm having to avoid watching the news too much for my own wellbeing.

 

[BlueToff]

Ah, the ostrich defence

Not at all. We're two years into it. Nobody should even remotely defending countries putting restrictions on their populations at this stage - it's not a good thing and it's not the right thing to do.

 

[tsubaki]

If the vaccine works well they shouldn't need lockdown measures when the population are 100% vaccinated.

What you mean to say here is that if the vaccine works in the way you think it should work then lockdown measures aren’t needed.

The problem is that the vaccine doesn’t work like that. Think of it like a bulletproof vest - yes, it protects you and yes it will save your life but going over the top and charging those machine guns might still be a bad idea.

 

[tsubaki]

Not at all. We're two years into it. Nobody should even remotely defending countries putting restrictions on their populations at this stage - it's not a good thing and it's not the right thing to do.

Is it still killing vaccinated people? Yes.

Could it still get out properly of hand? Yes.

Is this crisis over? No.

What we should be doing is treating this defining crisis of our times with the seriousness it demands.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Unfortunately reality doesn’t care for your feelings - to contain this sort of thing, certain measures have to be adopted.

What Gibraltar have done appears to be sensible, there’s no point pretending this thing or the threat it still represents doesn’t exist. These are serious times and they demand serious efforts to contain them.

So what do you think a govt should do to return to 2019-like life? Or you don't want it to happen? I'm sure you would, I remember your takes on politics, philosophy, literature and such. You looked like a person full of life to me, an intellectual human being, remembering my time on this forum pre March 2020. I don't think you are enjoying what you see all over the world.

 

[grandjoeblue]

What you mean to say here is that if the vaccine works in the way you think it should work then lockdown measures aren’t needed.

The problem is that the vaccine doesn’t work like that. Think of it like a bulletproof vest - yes, it protects you and yes it will save your life but going over the top and charging those machine guns might still be a bad idea.

If the efficacy percentages are remotely close to correct a 100% vaccinated population would have extremely low deaths from COVID. Being double vaccinated reduces the chance of death by 13x.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Is it still killing vaccinated people? Yes.

Could it still get out properly of hand? Yes.

Is this crisis over? No.

What we should be doing is treating this defining crisis of our times with the seriousness it demands.

We did, and that response is no longer proportionate for a population where 9 in 10 adults are vaccinated.

The general wellbeing of society is more important than any one issue. This is an issue that will not go away for a long time, if ever. We cannot allow lockdown restrictions to become normalised or the fabric of society and human freedoms will be permanently effected.

 

[jamieni]

EU Covid cert is fine for here, have seen it being used and have used it myself cross border.

For interest, the new NI digital cert has 2 parts; Travel and Domestic.

Good news. I couldn’t advise with any authority as I never get out anywhere lol

 

[BlueToff]

Is it still killing vaccinated people? Yes.

Could it still get out properly of hand? Yes.

Is this crisis over? No.

What we should be doing is treating this defining crisis of our times with the seriousness it demands.

It'll still be killing vaccinated people this time next year. This crisis won't be over in another year either.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It'll still be killing vaccinated people this time next year. This crisis won't be over in another year either.

It'll be here forever - only the zero covid lunatics believe we can stamp it out completely and/or the general population will agree to live a life of constant dicking around/restrictions to even get close to that.

The magic Pfizer Pills (stop it you! ♡) will be in circulation next year which cuts serious illness by upto 50% apparently - that should be enough to keep life ticking over.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Good news. I couldn’t advise with any authority as I never get out anywhere lol

Cheap date you Jamie ?

 

[JLW]

This is what happens when people obsess over case numbers. And it’s why people on the whole don’t care anymore. Imagine trying to convince your normal civilian that vaccines were the the way to return to normality but then you move the goalposts whereby they are no longer enough and you’re still expected to wear masks and socially distance after being vaccinated.

Also somewhere like Gibraltar really exposes the flaws in a vaccine passport system. Either make testing mandatory or don’t bother with any restrictions. If I cared about feeling safe I would much rather know everyone at a location had tested negative than if they’d been vaccinated when it comes to transmission of the virus.

Your first point 100% no one gives a toss about them well i know i dont.

2nd point you make i also agree with, much rather be with people who have tested negative than someone with 2 gold stars for being a good boy who can still make me ill.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Your first point 100% no one gives a toss about them well i know i dont.

2nd point you make i also agree with, much rather be with people who have tested negative than someone with 2 gold stars for being a good boy who can still make me ill.

I do a lateral flow test pretty much most times I visit someone / go out for a pint etc.

If they made testing mandatory you'll make it much safer than obsessing over booster shots for kids and face masks etc.

 

[tsubaki]

So what do you think a govt should do to return to 2019-like life? Or you don't want it to happen? I'm sure you would, I remember your takes on politics, philosophy, literature and such. You looked like a person full of life to me, an intellectual human being, remembering my time on this forum pre March 2020. I don't think you are enjoying what you see all over the world.

Honestly all that is required is to treat this disease as if it’s come from a hostile country and sent here with the express intent of harming us.

That means being really ruthless at detecting it, which would mean people being encouraged massively to phone up and report whenever they get symptoms and send people to test them ASAP. It should be seen as everyone’s patriotic duty to help protect others. If the tests show they’ve got COVID it should be seen as your duty to not give it to anyone outside the home and you should be fully supported in doing that. If you’re a contact of that person the same should apply. Whether you are vaccinated or not should be relevant only as far as it protects you.

In short we should treat this as the danger it undoubtedly is, not keep on down this other road of sacrificial ignorance whilst we Sideshow Bob repeatedly into rakes scattered on the floor.

 

[MikeH72]

This is what happens when people obsess over case numbers. And it’s why people on the whole don’t care anymore. Imagine trying to convince your normal civilian that vaccines were the the way to return to normality but then you move the goalposts whereby they are no longer enough and you’re still expected to wear masks and socially distance after being vaccinated.

Also somewhere like Gibraltar really exposes the flaws in a vaccine passport system. Either make testing mandatory or don’t bother with any restrictions. If I cared about feeling safe I would much rather know everyone at a location had tested negative than if they’d been vaccinated when it comes to transmission of the virus.

The idea of vaccine passports is an absolute nonsense that should never see the light of day. If vaccinated people can still catch and transmit a virus, what use is a vaccine passport as a means of protecting people? You could theoretically have a venue full of fully vaccinated people that all have covid. Surely proof of a negative test overrides a vaccine passport in this instance, as you’ve shown that you don’t actually have the virus and aren’t a risk of spreading it?

If we see vaccine passports enforced then it categorically proves that this whole thing isn’t about a virus and protecting people anymore.