Don’t they live permanently in lockdown/under state control anyway?
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Don’t they live permanently in lockdown/under state control anyway?
Well, I don't think Japan do, but they had to go into lockdown just over the summer when the Olympics were on (and for a few weeks around it). You could still go out but it was very strict measures - my mate was there covering the Olympics.
Others, like Thailand, went into lockdown for one case. Some countries definitely do fit the bill that you mention though, I imagine.
tsubaki
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Not national lockdowns, and it’s only been to contain specific clusters.
We’ve closed the entire country down twice because the government has only the vaguest outline of where the problems are, and the really worrying thing is that we’ve still not got to the stage where they were at the start of this (as in able to regularly pick up that clusters are associated with premises / people).
I hope it doesn’t happen, but if we get another unexpected thing come along we will be right back where we started.
We won't go into lockdown again. There's been people - in the government and out of it - saying for months etc that it'll hit 100,000 cases a day. It hasn't done.
COVID - as we're seeing across Europe - is coming and going in waves of a few weeks. We need to have effective systems in place sure, and one of those things should definitely be free testing, but the last 4-5 months now, there hasn't been a new variant that in any way isn't covered by the vaccines or people's natural immunity (or both).
It's on the government to not panic, and they should have the resources in place to deal with it.
Might be worth the governments of the world actually demanding answers as to where this came from and why it acts differently to so many other viruses, too?
It doesn’t though. We get new variants of the flu and the common cold all the time, and there are absolutely tonnes of viruses which can be asymptomatic
Deckard2049
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I mean (and I say this not to have a go at you personally) it is insane that it’s coming to this.
tsubaki
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TBH that’s what is happening in Europe, but we’ve been at 20-40k new cases a day since August.
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I would say a large percentage who have had the vaccine is for this reason, people are more fearful of losing their freedom than getting the virus.
There's no supposedly respiratory disease that results in the loss of taste/smell for months.
Appreciate this is a novel virus, but it's gone from one that was initially more attacking the respiratory system to one that now seems to, first and foremost, cause cardiological/blood issues.
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but a big way to preventing something like this happening again is making sure we know how this happened in the first place.
I know.
I'm pro vaccine and want everyone to get one, albeit for the right reasons.
If there's evidence I, as a healthy 26-yr-old who has had both jabs and COVID in between getting them, really need a booster, I'm happy to have one. I don't know if that evidence is there, though. It might be in a few months. But I don't want to feel as crap as I have done since getting my second dose.
As in it's coming and going in waves but the peaks in terms of deaths, serious illness etc are much less severe?
I don't think that's true. most people want to be vaccinated, and there's no reason why anyone shouldn't want to be unless it's for medical reasons. It helps you fight off the illness if you get it. It's a good thing.
The boosters - they're definitely needed for people in certain age groups and vulnerable categories. I don't think it's right for anywhere to use boosters as another form of ID though. It's not right for the vaccines to be used in that way but it's better than the alternative. The boosters shouldn't need to be done that way, all it does is feed into anti-vax theories.
I think the UK have been less cautious then the rest of Europe for a long time, they went through their exponential growth cycle or surge in the summer and bounced around between 20-30-40k since, those numbers have been a massive outlier in Europe, where other countries cases have been comparatively a lot lower. However as a society in the UK the high case incidence has become normailised now - so doesn't seem to be the same sense of crisis in the UK as there is elsewhere. TBF 40k, has become the acceptable expectation most days in the Uk - as in you wouldn't bat an eye lid with cases of 40k, its still very high and that is a 25 % increase in what was 30k, a few weeks ago.
Yet the UK are embracing it. Europe i think are surging toward the norm in the UK, it seems dramatic as cases are rising significantly and quickly, but really just coming up to the average that the Uk have been at. The problem with a quick "surge" in Europe is it puts health systems under pressure, so that what we're seeing now with the quick surge in cases around Europe and reintroducing restrictions is to protect health services in my opinion - Ireland for example have introduced restrictions not because cases are terribly high, its because they surged quickly and are putting services under pressure, while the UK have peaked for a long while now and are prob very confident of holding the 35-50k mark over the winter (hopefully) though they probably have seen the like of a 25% in the last say 6 weeks.
Some of the measures are very different too, the like of the passport system hasn't been developed in the UK, so maybe some of the restrictions are more accessible in Europe too, though masks seems like a really straight forward and sensible one that could be reintroduced.
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But if not for incentives and restriction fears no chance this many people would have gone for the vaccine in this short timespan
I for one got vaccinated to be able to travel. Travel is crucial for me, I love being on the road. If they let me free, (like completely free, all over the world) I would have waited for a few years.
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A decent percentage of young people have got it to go abroad easier. I know a few people in my family/friends where thats the primary reason for getting it.
I wouldn't rush out to get a booster but if I needed one to fly I'd get one pretty quickly. I believe countries who have mandated it in workplaces have had a good increase in vaccinations but that doesn't really seem to have happened in the care sector here.
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