Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

ChAdOx1, BNT162b2, or H20 (link)

In a bizarre story being reported from Greece, it appears that many of those reluctant to get a vaccine nevertheless wanted the proof of vaccination to enable them to continue to participate in activities from which they would have otherwise been excluded.

The story goes on to say that many have been bribing vaccinators at centres to inject them with water instead, with a fee of €400 the “going rate”. However, having taken the money it would appear that in many instances the vaccinators have gone on to administer the vaccine instead.

Whilst the ethical considerations of injecting a vaccine without consent of the patient is clearly a concern, local media report that complaints are considered unlikely given the admission it would require of an attempt to bribe those involved in the vaccination process.

 

[Wizard]

Completely disagree, people are getting vaccinated to protect themselves so they don't get severely ill.

I primarily got the vaccine so I had less chance of getting it and therefore less chance of infecting my parents. I obviously don’t want to get seriously ill either but my first concern was my parents.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Been double jabbed, just had a positive test. Loss of taste and smell. Tbh, thought I had a heavy cold(man flu really) at first, so prob had symptons 4/5 days before the test. Was at the match last Sunday, so good chance got it there.

Hope you recovery swiftly mate x

 

[duncs pigeon]

Hope you recovery swiftly mate x

Thank you @LinekersLegs , all ok atm. The isolation part is a nightmare though.

 

[Tubey]

ChAdOx1, BNT162b2, or H20 (link)

In a bizarre story being reported from Greece, it appears that many of those reluctant to get a vaccine nevertheless wanted the proof of vaccination to enable them to continue to participate in activities from which they would have otherwise been excluded.

The story goes on to say that many have been bribing vaccinators at centres to inject them with water instead, with a fee of €400 the “going rate”. However, having taken the money it would appear that in many instances the vaccinators have gone on to administer the vaccine instead.

Whilst the ethical considerations of injecting a vaccine without consent of the patient is clearly a concern, local media report that complaints are considered unlikely given the admission it would require of an attempt to bribe those involved in the vaccination process.

lol lol lol lol lol

 

[Ghost Rider]

RE the Myocarditis/Pericarditis issues with the MRNA jabs this piece in an article shares my concerns:

"David Juurlink, the head of the division of clinical pharmacology at the University of Toronto, has concerns that if it’s the immune response that’s triggering the inflammation, then it might occur at higher rates after the third dose. Beyond that, he also thinks it’s possible that cases could be more severe.

“I do worry that for young men who’ve had two doses and get a third, the risk might be higher,” Juurlink said.

In granting full approval to the Pfizer shot last month, the Food and Drug Administration said the rates of myocarditis and pericarditis in vaccinated boys 16 to 17 years old could be as high as 1 in every 5,000, but that the benefits of the shots still outweighed the risks.

But the possibility of a third dose could reignite the debate around the risk-benefit profile, particularly for boys and young men. If third doses wind up increasing the risk of myocarditis in those groups even higher — and it’s not clear that an extra shot is all that necessary to protect them from Covid-19 — should they broadly receive boosters? Or should it just be older people, who are at lower risk of developing myocarditis after the shots and whose immunity against Covid-19 might be waning in a more worrisome way than young people’s?

Data that could help settle those questions don’t exist yet."

Which is why the scientists and governments need to be looking seriously at the science and costs/benefits of the different age groups.

Having the media whip up propaganda and making out some 16 year old getting a booster jab is akin to a hero in the trenches in WW1 is ludicrous - one death or serious illness from Covid or a Covid vaccine is one too many and we need to keep everyone as safe as possible.

If that was true then potentially giving the vaccine to younger and younger , increasing that risk if whatever that's called mycardio....etc

That would create a much bigger health crisis in younger people than covid ever would. There would be no justification then to vaccinate young people after the committe rejected the idea and parents would be putting their kids at risk for the sake of 'insert steriotypical covid patient'.

At what point does things become normal? At what point do you stop panicking over something that has had the risk decreased almost entirely in your population? People would suggest still side effects etc but the cure has them as well.

The pool of people we are protecting is decreasing more and more until all you have left are idiots and people your cold would do damage to.

 

[Tipp blue]

ChAdOx1, BNT162b2, or H20 (link)

In a bizarre story being reported from Greece, it appears that many of those reluctant to get a vaccine nevertheless wanted the proof of vaccination to enable them to continue to participate in activities from which they would have otherwise been excluded.

The story goes on to say that many have been bribing vaccinators at centres to inject them with water instead, with a fee of €400 the “going rate”. However, having taken the money it would appear that in many instances the vaccinators have gone on to administer the vaccine instead.

Whilst the ethical considerations of injecting a vaccine without consent of the patient is clearly a concern, local media report that complaints are considered unlikely given the admission it would require of an attempt to bribe those involved in the vaccination process.

Once you've turned up and given all the details needed so you can actually get certified, would that not be considered as giving consent?

 

[tsubaki]

I'd love to be able to say the article below is amazing, unbelievable or any other word that implies severe surprise. Sadly it isn't:

The plan would involve the winding down of the Covid testing regime, which requires people to get a free test if they have any of the three main symptoms: cough, temperature and loss of smell or taste.

Testing would instead be paid for and left to the private marketplace, despite concerns about some of the companies offering tests. The Competition and Markets Authority are investigating a number of them over misleading claims.

UK officials have compiled ‘Covid exit strategy’ from April – report

No 10 sources say ministers had not seen leaked plan to wind down testing and self-isolation

www.theguardian.com

 

[LinekersLegs]

Once you've turned up and given all the details needed so you can actually get certified, would that not be considered as giving consent?

Ethically no as the people who were administering them knew the bribers were giving consent to a water injection rather than the vaccine but ethics seem to be a bit compromised by all involved!

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'd love to be able to say the article below is amazing, unbelievable or any other word that implies severe surprise. Sadly it isn't:

UK officials have compiled ‘Covid exit strategy’ from April – report

No 10 sources say ministers had not seen leaked plan to wind down testing and self-isolation

www.theguardian.com

How much does manufacturing tests en mass actually cost? Is it feasible long term to keep manufacturing them for free?

Given two of the symptoms there are routinely, cough and temperature , eventually you will be wasting so many tests based on symptoms that are part and parcel of any virus or infection.

It's us the tax payer that pays for it, eventually you don't need covid tests , especially when you have vaccinated the entire adult population, so why keep making them?

 

[tsubaki]

How much does manufacturing tests en mass actually cost? Is it feasible long term to keep manufacturing them for free?

Given two of the symptoms there are routinely, cough and temperature , eventually you will be wasting so many tests based on symptoms that are part and parcel of any virus or infection.

It's us the tax payer that pays for it, eventually you don't need covid tests , especially when you have vaccinated the entire adult population, so why keep making them?

Well that depends - would you rather after nearly two years of this lamentable failure pay the money to have an effective testing regime (which can be used again for other viruses), or try to offload the cost onto the public again?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Well that depends - would you rather after nearly two years of this lamentable failure pay the money to have an effective testing regime (which can be used again for other viruses), or try to offload the cost onto the public again?

Is testing for other viruses really necessary? Either you test for the known (which has never been needed) or you can't test for the unknown as it doesn't exist yet.

Making tests for a virus that is vaccinated for is just a waste of resources and more importantly money long term. Elements need to be in place for a future pandemic , preparation etc. But for the here and now you have to wind them down because it's just not needed.

Theoretically speaking , Less tests means less focus on a number that is here nor there. You can then measure hospital cases rather than daily tests as a go to with the vaccine in full flow.

 

[Tipp blue]

Ethically no as the people who were administering them knew the bribers were giving consent to a water injection rather than the vaccine but ethics seem to be a bit compromised by all involved!

Ethically no but legally?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ethically no but legally?

Legally I doubt they have a leg to stand on!