Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Billy Dean said:
Not sure I get your logic. If you have a bar full of vaxxed people, they might infect each other but won't get sick enough to overburden the health system.
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They could spread the virus to people who are vaccinated but still vulnerable- my point is at some point you basically have to get over the notion of people spreading the virus. Put it this way would I feel safer knowing everyone has been tested or vaccinated prior to entry to a large event? As a vaccinated person I don’t really care; but given what we know I’d genuinely lean towards people having been tested.

Bar the minority of people who cannot he vaccinated, the vaccine has been widely available and open to all adults for months now. Its a waste of time thinking about people who are willingly choosing not to be vaccinated and they should have no bearing on whether restrictions should be in place. I get the argument that you are protecting the unvaccinated- but these people don’t want your protection. The only argument that holds any water is the burden they could place on healthcare.
 
sageyefc said:
Don’t get the issue with wearing masks, it’s only a small bit of fabric over your face stop being tarts about it.

I for one embrace it, never again do I want to suck in other people’s dirty air
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Why did you need a pandemic like this to realise it though lol Many never even touched a mask let alone wearing it until 2020 March, in their entire lives. Hell even my GP never wore it when I came to her coughing like crazy, demanding antibiotics.
 
maccavennie said:
Hope your dad's doing ok mate. I've mentioned this previously as well in this thread, if your mum and dad haven't got one, tell them to get an oximeter. You can pick one up for £20.00.

Be amazed how easy it is for your breathing to go shallow and you don't realise its happening when your unwell and it'll just give you an early sign that oxygen levels aren't what they should be.
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He’s much better today. Very relieved.
 
Neiler said:
Thats the thing, passports protect the unvaxed as well, as if they dont have entry they are less likely to be infected, thus breaking the chain of infection and minmising hospitaisations as the unvxed have an 88% greater chance of significant illness as opposed to someone vaxed, there is a middle ground there with antigen testing for the unvaxed to, if you wanted to go down that route. I think ratios in hospital in most countries are in and around 20% vaccinated and 80% not.
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Deckard2049 said:
They could spread the virus to people who are vaccinated but still vulnerable- my point is at some point you basically have to get over the notion of people spreading the virus. Put it this way would I feel safer knowing everyone has been tested or vaccinated prior to entry to a large event? As a vaccinated person I don’t really care; but given what we know I’d genuinely lean towards people having been tested.

Bar the minority of people who cannot he vaccinated, the vaccine has been widely available and open to all adults for months now. Its a waste of time thinking about people who are willingly choosing not to be vaccinated and they should have no bearing on whether restrictions should be in place. I get the argument that you are protecting the unvaccinated- but these people don’t want your protection. The only argument that holds any water is the burden they could place on healthcare.
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I think the issue is the assumption that most spread happens in things like big events, but that leaked government report (via Politico the other day) had it at 2-13% of community transmission takes place at the venues that plan B would have vaccine only proof at

So by banning unvaccinated from those, it's just encouraging them to spend more time in the places where the other 87%+ of transmission is happening, probably in private settings, and likely with closer contact to people so more risk.

It feels punitive, which is fine if that's what you want, but with figures like that, relying on this as some kind of magic bullet in a situation where you do genuinely need to bring cases down it clearly isn't going to work. Unless you stop unvaccinated people ever being in the vicinity of vaccinated people, and by that I mean in homes or workplaces where most unmasked close contact actually happens.

Even rolling it out to hospitality will just push unvaccinated people into homes more. I just don't think they're the big win people think they are. Though Mark Drakeford continues down this road it seems...
 
sbbefc said:
It's great not being recognised by people on the street and in shops. No more small talk and the stop and chat.
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Only great if you have loads of friends already. Us who need every bit of small chats outside world suffered immensely last 20 months.
 
[Deleted Member] said:
Only great if you have loads of friends already. Us who need every bit of small chats outside world suffered immensely last 20 months.
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I was making light of the situation. But there is some truth to the fact thay many people who prefer not to regularly socialise will/or are suffering immensely as things get back to normal. You'd hope after this whole experience that we'd come out of it with a better outcome for all.
 
sbbefc said:
I was making light of the situation. But there is some truth to the fact thay many people who prefer not to regularly socialise will/or are suffering immensely as things get back to normal. You'd hope after this whole experience that we'd come out of it with a better outcome for all.
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they can always stay home though?
 
That drakesford in Wales thinks he's Chinese ffs.

More restrictions in Wales... rising cases etc

Cases have dropped by 7k compared to last Friday.
 
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they can always stay home though?
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Probably not, and as I said I was making light of the situation.

Many people do suffer from social anxiety. Better work life balance etc will hopefully benefit us all in the long run.

I suffer a degree of social anxiety myself, I prefer to socialise in smaller groups and I've found working from home a great benefit to my mental health.

Obviously being locked indoors isn't good news for anyone but having a bit more flexibility, especially in a working environment, is something that benefits many peoples lives.
 
sbbefc said:
Probably not, and as I said I was making light of the situation.

Many people do suffer from social anxiety. Better work life balance etc will hopefully benefit us all in the long run.

I suffer a degree of social anxiety myself, I prefer to socialise in smaller groups and I've found working from home a great benefit to my mental health.

Obviously being locked indoors isn't good news for anyone but having a bit more flexibility, especially in a working environment, is something that benefits many peoples lives.
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As said, you can always cover your face mate, there is no ban on that. be it a mask or a snood. the obligation bit is tough for many.

hope things go smoothly for you too ;)
 
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