Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I wear a mask indoors where I'm supposed too, but definitely don't wear one outside. The rules here in NI are slightly different I know.

There are people obsessed with restrictions. I try to avoid the news because it is demoralising.
I think the point is that the government has pretty much opened the door for non-mask wearing, even indoors, so quite a large number of people don't bother now in pubs, trains, supermarkets etc. That seems a pretty straightforward request to make if we don't want any kind of lockdown again, especially if coupled with getting both the Covid and flu vaccines.
 
@DrEFC knew that adult males had much worse outcomes typically than females but wouldn’t have guessed it might extend to fetuses is this small data set holds true on larger testing.
In two studies published Tuesday in Science Translational Medicine, the Boston-based research teams found that pregnant and lactating women mount robust antibody responses to both vaccination and infection. The encouraging data also came with some twists that offer intriguing new clues to one of the pandemic’s enduring mysteries: why Covid-19 hits male adults, children, and infants harder than females.

“What’s striking here is that the mothers who are carrying male babies have much lower levels of antibodies to the coronavirus,” said Akiko Iwasaki, a virologist and immunologist at Yale University who was not involved in the study. “What’s interesting about that is it means that the sex of the baby can dictate how the mother responds to a viral infection.”

Since the earliest days of the pandemic, epidemiological studies have pointed to sex differences in Covid-19 patients; males get more severely ill and die more often than females. For the past year and a half, scientists like Iwasaki have been trying to tease out why that is. Last August, her team published a study showing that men and women mount very different immune responses. Males’ defenses tend to have a slow ramp-up, but then produce more pro-inflammatory molecules, which can lead to a dangerous over-reaction known as a “cytokine storm.”

In one of the new studies, the Boston researchers examined maternal blood, cord blood, and the placentas from 38 pregnant Covid patients. The placenta is the life support system for a fetus, providing oxygen and nutrients; it grows from the developing embryo’s cells, not the mother’s. The researchers found that in response to Covid infection, male placentas switched on more pro-inflammatory immune activation genes than placentas supporting female fetuses.

This increased immune activation might help male fetuses stave off SARS-CoV-2, but the resulting inflammation could also pose risks, said Andrea Edlow, a maternal fetal medicine doctor at Mass General and assistant professor of obstetrics, gynecology, and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School, who co-led the new studies.

“What the downstream effects are going to be for the child we still don’t know,” said Edlow. “But it’s definitely going to be important to follow up the development of these children on the basis of sex because we see these really profound changes in the placenta that suggest that the intrauterine environment is suddenly altered even in the setting of mild maternal disease.”

What seems more clear, and surprising, is how those changes feed back into what the mother’s immune system is doing. Covid-infected patients produced fewer antibodies if their fetus was male. And they also transferred far fewer of these protective antibodies to the developing male babies.
Really interesting, supports my basic theory when corona kicked off about cell mediated and antibody with differences in gender.
 
I think the point is that the government has pretty much opened the door for non-mask wearing, even indoors, so quite a large number of people don't bother now in pubs, trains, supermarkets etc. That seems a pretty straightforward request to make if we don't want any kind of lockdown again, especially if coupled with getting both the Covid and flu vaccines.

Supermarkets and trains is the main places you still have to wear one here. I'd say 3 quarters are still doing it. I'm not going to lie, I don't enjoy wearing a mask at all, but I do it where I'm supposed to.

I would encourage anyone to get their vaccine. But if someone hasn't got their covid jab by now, then I think it's very unlikely they will get it. We can't force anyone to get it and we will never get 100% take up. We have to accept that there are people out there who will not make the decision we want. The answer surely cannot be to lockdown people who did do the right thing and did take the vaccine. That is totally unfair.

We are in a different place and people are entitled to live a normal life again.
 
I wear a mask indoors where I'm supposed too, but definitely don't wear one outside. The rules here in NI are slightly different I know.

There are people obsessed with restrictions. I try to avoid the news because it is demoralising.

It's not just the media though, is it. The Tories are as much to blame.

Lockdown, we're free!, lockdown, we're free nothing to worry about!

If the summer was more gradual, such as this plan b thing, then maybe we wouldn't be where we are now and you still live a pretty normal live.

Plus, the tories leak stuff to the media.
 
It's not just the media though, is it. The Tories are as much to blame.

Lockdown, we're free!, lockdown, we're free nothing to worry about!

If the summer was more gradual, such as this plan b thing, then maybe we wouldn't be where we are now and you still live a pretty normal live.

We have to live with this though, there is no alternative. If people say we need lockdown this winter then we will need a lockdown every winter.

We aren't in a bad place. We have like 85% + of adults vaccinated and boosters on their way.
 
We have to live with this though, there is no alternative. If people say we need lockdown this winter then we will need a lockdown every winter.

We aren't in a bad place. We have like 85% + of adults vaccinated and boosters on their way.

Aren't we one of the worst in Europe right now? I don't think it would be a lockdown, i don't think there will be a lockdown again. just obvious things like wearing a mask
 
Supermarkets and trains is the main places you still have to wear one here. I'd say 3 quarters are still doing it. I'm not going to lie, I don't enjoy wearing a mask at all, but I do it where I'm supposed to.

I would encourage anyone to get their vaccine. But if someone hasn't got their covid jab by now, then I think it's very unlikely they will get it. We can't force anyone to get it and we will never get 100% take up. We have to accept that there are people out there who will not make the decision we want. The answer surely cannot be to lockdown people who did do the right thing and did take the vaccine. That is totally unfair.

We are in a different place and people are entitled to live a normal life again.
Like I said, I could see a scenario whereby those who can show they've been double-jabbed and are willing to wear a mask can carry on as normal. It's an approach that seems to work in other countries.
 
Aren't we one of the worst in Europe right now? I don't think it would be a lockdown, i don't think there will be a lockdown again. just obvious things like wearing a mask
Depends what u class as one of the worst really.

Do we have the most cases? Yes but then we test nearly as much as the EU combined.
 
It's not just the media though, is it. The Tories are as much to blame.

Lockdown, we're free!, lockdown, we're free nothing to worry about!

If the summer was more gradual, such as this plan b thing, then maybe we wouldn't be where we are now and you still live a pretty normal live.

Plus, the tories leak stuff to the media.

Tbf mate, the release last time was pretty gradual. In fact they pushed the whole 'freedom day' thing back by 5 weeks.

The only thing that really went from 100 to zero was the masks. I don't agree with it, because it seems an easy thing to keep in place (although expecting people to wear masks in places like concerts etc was never gonna happen was it, but on transport, in supermarkets etc, it was easy to keep in place). But I can't really say the release was too quick, it wasn't, it took four months.

COVID is just coming and going in little peaks and troughs. There's panic and then the cases drop and then panic and then the cases drop and then rise again and so on and so on, because it's starting to act like any other bug in how it comes and goes. Need to get boosters out, need people to go and get a flu jab esp if they're vulnerable but other than that, life should be normal, it just should be, and there should be a real focus on how to treat COVID too and what other medicines are options for that. Because it looks like these vaccines, as great as they are, aren't lasting in terms of efifacy.
 
it’s ‘vaccination day’ it my daughters school the next 2 days and the school have sent an email saying all kids who are getting vaccinated come in your PE kit and those who are not as normal in uniform! The social divide this is creating is ridiculous. What’s wrong with all in uniform and you roll your shirt sleeve up??
 
We have to live with this though, there is no alternative. If people say we need lockdown this winter then we will need a lockdown every winter.

We aren't in a bad place. We have like 85% + of adults vaccinated and boosters on their way.

There are alternatives, as has been pointed out ad infinitum. Tackle this early enough, and effectively enough, and you do not need national lockdowns, you don’t have the stress on the health system, and you don’t have the thousands dead.

Instead it is the “we’ve got to live with this crowd” who are busily herding us all back to where we started.
 
There are alternatives, as has been pointed out ad infinitum. Tackle this early enough, and effectively enough, and you do not need national lockdowns, you don’t have the stress on the health system, and you don’t have the thousands dead.

Instead it is the “we’ve got to live with this crowd” who are busily herding us all back to where we started.

Track and trace is not an effective solution. All of the other altnernative methods put forward will only give short term benefits and then will need to consistently be repeated.

We will never be able to fully eradicate the virus so we have to live with it. Zero covid is a completely irrational and impossible goal.
 
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