Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Fair enough if yous don't feel like engaging...


...Genuinely interested if I'm missing something obvious here.
Disclaimer. 'wrong' 'right' 'compelling' are only valid for a given, but subjectively undeterminable flexible value of 'wrong' etc.
There's a 'wrong' in what you're calling 'compelling' people.
Then
There's a 'wrong' in not getting vaccinated.

But even today, two 'wrongs' Still don't make a 'right'...but you've said yourself - I'm missing something here.
So,
For for that reason - I'm out.

(Pretty good wumming though)
 
Unvaccinated should be banned from all indoor settings unless they have a doctor's note with a reason for not being vaccinated.

Once the anti vaxxers are vaccinated the pandemic is over.

The virus is endemic, hence the call for continual boosters, with the US advocating boosters just eight months after your second dose for everybody, not just the vulnerable. It will be over when people get vaccinated then get on with their lives and stop stressing about things they can’t control.
 
Tell that to Israel.
Much less people are dying. The booster jabs are needed for people in vulnerable groups (though I don’t think they should be mandatory for doing things)
If I go into a stadium or club or whatever, then me being fully vaccinated and everyone else being fully vaccinated should give everyone peace of mind. Yes, you could still transmit it, but the likelihood of getting ill from
It is significantly reduced
 
Much less people are dying.
That is true, but I replied to your post where you said there'd be "much less effect". Not just dying, but effects generally. That doesn't appear to be the case. See:

New COVID Restrictions: Israelis Over Age Three Must Show Proof of Vaccine or Negative Test





The pandemic is still in full swing there, despite mass vaccination.


If I go into a stadium or club or whatever, then me being fully vaccinated and everyone else being fully vaccinated should give everyone peace of mind. Yes, you could still transmit it, but the likelihood of getting ill from
It is significantly reduced
What peace of mind? If I go to a stadium - unvaccinated/unmasked - what worry am I giving to the vaccinated fans there? Are they worried for me (or any other proxy unvaxxed person)? Unlikely. Are they worried for themselves? If so, then their worry is not grounded in peer-accepted science.
 
I can only
That is true, but I replied to your post where you said there'd be "much less effect". Not just dying, but effects generally. That doesn't appear to be the case. See:

New COVID Restrictions: Israelis Over Age Three Must Show Proof of Vaccine or Negative Test





The pandemic is still in full swing there, despite mass vaccination.



What peace of mind? If I go to a stadium - unvaccinated/unmasked - what worry am I giving to the vaccinated fans there? Are they worried for me (or any other proxy unvaxxed person)? Unlikely. Are they worried for themselves? If so, then their worry is not grounded in peer-accepted science.
I can only go by my personal experience and that of my family.

I had one jab, and I reckon - can’t be sure - that if I hadn’t had it, then I’d have been much more ill than I was. I’m still not fully back - still struggle with fatigue during exercise. My dad, 65 with COPD, has had 2 jabs. He had covid too, and had nothing more than a bit of a bad cold and fatigue. He’d be a person likely to end up in ICU without the vaccine. My sister and her fiancé hadn’t had the vaccine, and both were very ill. My sister is still not right four weeks later and her fiancé is still suffering too.
 
I can only

I can only go by my personal experience and that of my family.

I had one jab, and I reckon - can’t be sure - that if I hadn’t had it, then I’d have been much more ill than I was. I’m still not fully back - still struggle with fatigue during exercise. My dad, 65 with COPD, has had 2 jabs. He had covid too, and had nothing more than a bit of a bad cold and fatigue. He’d be a person likely to end up in ICU without the vaccine. My sister and her fiancé hadn’t had the vaccine, and both were very ill. My sister is still not right four weeks later and her fiancé is still suffering too.
Thanks for sharing. You're right of course that personal experience goes a huge way to form our views on things. I haven't had as close family covid-experiences as yourself, just the mother of a friend died very quickly after contracting Covid (she was mid-50's and fairly healthy). And a mate of mine (50-ish, male) who got it still smells wet-dog and burnt things in his nose more than a year after.

Covid-19/sars-cov-2 is definitely a real threat, and more unusual than the flu/cold-strains we usually know of. I support the development and use of vaccines for those who need/want them. I support anyone's right to wish to wear a mask or socially distance.

But instinctively I have an issue with the overly controlled & strict policies the world's governments have enacted, especially when I look at the bigger picture and see an average age-of-death similar to usual life-expectancies, when most hospitalisations statistically feature the old/obese/immune-sick. I see little heed paid to the after-effects of all these harsh policies: immune-weakness due to constant mask-wearing and reduced social contacts, depression, delayed medical-treatment for other issues, children's development stunted, small businesses shafted, a media-driven agenda to sow distrust in fellow citizens: i.e. how the unvaxxed/pandemic-sceptics are being painted as potential murderers, dehumanised by their peers, and their freedoms blunted by the State.

It's an over-reaction, to put it plainly. An over-reaction which may cause profound societal problems long-term. 18 months on standby won't be without its after-effects.
 
No hospital figures reported for today, last Saturday’s late revealed total was 84

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 104 deaths were announced today, down 10 on yesterday and up 11 on last Saturday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 99.57

For the 60 day cut off, 124 deaths were announced today, down 2 on yesterday and up 18 on last Saturday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 113.71
 
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