dholliday
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Who's suggesting that?
That's a fascist way of looking at your fellow citizens.
How does getting vaccinated show respect for fellow human beings?
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roydo
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Really? Wow.
dholliday
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Really. I'm interested how getting vaccinated shows respect for fellow human beings. I understand why we should show respect for those who are not getting vaccinated (my body, my choice etc). But the other way round? What's the argument?
grandjoeblue
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There is zero reason for the majority of anti vaxxers to avoid vaccination. They are increasing the length of the pandemic and causing further deaths.
The vaccine reduces the likelihood of catching covid. FACT.
The vaccine reduces the likelihood of hospitalisation. FACT.
The vaccine reduces the chance of death relating to covid. FACT.
If you are unvaccinated without good reason you are an absolute disgrace. FACT.
roydo
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Not gonna dignify that post with a proper response.
If I had your powers Roy, I know what my response would be.
dholliday
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Here's at least 18 of them:
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www.citizensjournal.us
Source?
Source? Not a fact according to the science (trust the science, and all that). The latest studies suggest you are about equally able to catch Covid, vaccinated or not.
Vaccines still effective against Delta variant of concern, says Oxford-led study of the COVID-19 Infections Survey
Obtaining two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against the COVID-19 Delta variant of concern dominant in the UK today, according to a study from the University of Oxford.
Key quote: Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people
That is supported by current studies, yes.
Also supported, yes, tho' we await new data to confirm as these findings are regarded as preliminary.
Psychotic thinking.
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Does this include boosters in your logic?
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Hopefully schools will be OK, I'm back to work on Tuesday in a school of approx 900 students and a further 100 staff. We could be in for another cold winter with every window in the place open all the time.. with secondary school children allowed the vaccine Hopefully any school closing will be individual rather than a blanket close.
If you have to ask...
Because if everyone is vaccinated then the virus has much less effect. It is proven. You don’t, in general, get as ill if you’ve had just one jab, never mind two. Ive had covid and am very glad that by the time I did I had had my first jab. I’m 26, very healthy, and was bad. Second dose is now due start of September as I had to push it back since I had covid last month, or I’d have already had my second dose this weekend
It might be totalitarian in a way, but that’s what the last 18 months has been. You have to do certain things to go to a lot of places and do a lot of things in life. This is just one of them.
you can’t pin people down and force it into their arms, so you have to do it another way and IMO as crap as it is this is the way for it to be done. I wish it wasn’t needed
The boosters are for vulnerable groups. But in general if everyone has had their jabs, then that will be the easiest way to get back fully to some form of normality.
I think it’s crap that it’s needed, but it is needed
I also have no idea why anyone would want to have the hassle of testing, risking isolation etc, having to plan all that weeks or days in advance of doing anything, rather than just being able to get vaccinated and enjoy life
dholliday
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Fair enough if yous don't feel like engaging.
No need to respond, so this is for others on here: my guess is folk think it will help end the pandemic? I don't think the science backs that up. See Israel's (the most-vaccinated nation on Earth, per %) current case numbers - at the time of writing 63,000 active cases:
Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Not willingly placing strain on the NHS? As most hospitalised are either old, obese or have already weakened immune systems, the %-chances of an unvaccinated relatively healthy young/middle-aged person of getting seriously ill are fairly small. I've calculated it at roughly 1-in-5000 for your average 45-year old male. Life is full of choices and risks. You make your choice, you make your risk, you pay your taxes to support the unhappy situation where you need serious medical attention (like if you crash your car, get cancer, beaten up or Covid does a major number on your lungs).
The pandemic can end right now, and those unvaccinated at high-risk - the old, obese, already-sick etc - can (and probably should) choose to continue practicing pandemic policies, perhaps even mandated so during flu seasons. Everyone else, get back to 2019. The NHS thus won't be overwhelmed, statistically-speaking (as the majority will be vaccinated, thus barely requiring treatment).
Infecting others? As previously shown: the vaccinated can just as easily transmit the disease as unvaccinated.
Solidarity? Civic solidarity is a personal choice. It's not a war footing, so should be respected as such.
Unvaccinated creating mutations which could be dangerous to vaccinated? I've seen this view a few times, but there is no serious science to back it up. There is one or two cowboy 'scientists' doing the rounds on mainstream media claiming such (using keywords like could, potentially, may), but as Delta was already a thing back in Autumn 2020, this has no peer-backed basis thus far.
Genuinely interested if I'm missing something obvious here.
Good analogy
dholliday
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Tell that to Israel.
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