dholliday
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That's what the data suggests, tho' with only 86 admissions total the data set is a little low to be confident the 6x-trend is consistent.
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When 86% of the hospitalizations are coming from only 30% of a sample population, I’d say it’s pretty damn overwhelming that the vaccines are working.68% of cases isn't "overwhelming", but there's enough data to suggest the vaccines do ultimately help:
dholliday
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Regarding hospitalisations, there's only 86 single cases to go on. Not a large sample size.
Regarding cases, the latest science tells us there's not just a lack of "overwhelming" evidence that cases are mostly the unvaccinated...the numbers should be relatively even between unvaxxed & vaxxed.
Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people
Vaccines still effective against Delta variant of concern, says Oxford-led study of the COVID-19 Infections Survey
Obtaining two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against the COVID-19 Delta variant of concern dominant in the UK today, according to a study from the University of Oxford.
The sample size isn’t 86. The sample size is 1m.Regarding hospitalisations, there's only 86 single cases to go on. Not a large sample size.
Regarding cases, the latest science tells us there's not just a lack of "overwhelming" evidence that cases are mostly the unvaccinated...the numbers should be relatively even between unvaxxed & vaxxed.
Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people
Vaccines still effective against Delta variant of concern, says Oxford-led study of the COVID-19 Infections Survey
Obtaining two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against the COVID-19 Delta variant of concern dominant in the UK today, according to a study from the University of Oxford.www.ox.ac.uk
also with regard to your quote, you’ve taken that out of context and implied that there is no difference between vaccinated and otherwise when the premise of the article is the opposite.
dholliday
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The 86 admissions is the result of an initial sample size of 1m
the sample size isn’t 86.
Just to put context for your quote.Regarding hospitalisations, there's only 86 single cases to go on. Not a large sample size.
Regarding cases, the latest science tells us there's not just a lack of "overwhelming" evidence that cases are mostly the unvaccinated...the numbers should be relatively even between unvaxxed & vaxxed.
Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people
Vaccines still effective against Delta variant of concern, says Oxford-led study of the COVID-19 Infections Survey
Obtaining two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against the COVID-19 Delta variant of concern dominant in the UK today, according to a study from the University of Oxford.
It’s talking about levels of the virus between people who *had* covid and recovered v people who had 2 shots m
‘Two doses of either vaccine still provided at least the same level of protection as having had COVID-19 before through natural infection; people who had been vaccinated after already being infected with COVID-19 had even more protection than vaccinated individuals who had not had COVID-19 before.’
dholliday
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You're not understanding that data at all. Ireland hasn't even had 1m cases total since the beginning of the pandemic, nevermind hospitalisations.
The sample size is 86. It's right there plain to see.
See also our discussion on mass psychosis and how it affects perception...
the death of the party spirit right there...for shame! Those testing negative should have the same rights as vaccinated. This shouldn't even be a debate, especially as viral loads are similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Horrible inhumane development.
leaving aside statistical significance at around 30 observations for a moment.
There is a difference between asking the question ‘of all hospital admissions for covid, what proportion is vaccinated v unvaccinated?’ and saying ‘given a sample of 1,000,000, how many vaccinated people will be hospitalised and how many unvaccinated people will be hospitalised’.
The former will have a much smaller confidence interval than the latter and isn’t the reality of this flow chart.
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I do think some people hold this myth that the vaccination will stop you getting a respiratory virus. So they'll use stats such as "the viral load is the same as unvaccinated" to prove they won't take the jab just if they turn into the Incredible Hulk and say "what's the point".
The point is not giving the virus a free shot on goal.
Let's put it into football perspective...Roberto Carlos has a 20 yard free kick. The keeper decides he doesn't want a wall. What's going to happen? You're giving a free kick expert a free shot on goal. Percentage wise, the keeper isn't saving 80% of them.
Stick a wall in there...same shot, same power, an extra shield so that 80% conversion rate reduces. That's not to say he wouldn't ping in a top bin. But it'll be harder to.
People not wanting a jab are basically are getting blasted in the face by a 100mph shot from Roberto Carlos but still want to be able to carry on as normal.
dholliday
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The chart wants to tell us from 1 million general populace how many of those are unvaxxed/vaxxed, and what proportion of them will be hospitalised. The conclusion was 86 single hospitalisation cases, of which 74 of them were from unvaxxed.
A positive sign that the vaccine has worthy benefits, but the sample size of 86 admissions is too small to make a definitive judgement.
Totalitarianism by any other name. It doesn't make sense, as I said the viral load has been proven to be similar.
So again, what's the logic here? To prevent hospitals being overrun by the unvaxxed getting seriously ill? Unlikely, for two reasons:
1) the average age of the clubber is far below the average age of the seriously covid-ill.
2) the unvaxxed are in the minority now anyway, statistically-speaking the hospitals won't be as overrun as previous waves (if we assume the vaccines hold their promise to reduce hospitalisations).
Any other reasons why it makes sense to make the vaccines quasi-compulsory?
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How are these anti vaxxers still trying to suggest the vaccine doesn't massively reduce hospitalisation? There is a huge amount of evidence across the globe.
The UK is completely open and deaths is around 100 average. If these anti vax lunatics got jabbed then the average would be much much lower.
Make life as tough as possible for these domestic terrorists aka anti vaxxers.
The UK is completely open and deaths is around 100 average. If these anti vax lunatics got jabbed then the average would be much much lower.
Make life as tough as possible for these domestic terrorists aka anti vaxxers.
roydo
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A bit of respect for your fellow human beings and emergency services?
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