Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 60 deaths were announced today, down 23 on yesterday and up 13 on last Thursday. 47 deaths were in English hospitals, down 21 on yesterday and up 12 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 47.57

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 84 deaths were announced today, up 11 on yesterday and up 21 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 55.29

There was no data for the 60 day cut off reported today for some reason

 

[BlueToff]

Just looking at the vaccine rollout progress earlier, despite all the nationalistic chest thumping looks like EU & U.K. regions on course to finish at the same time - always maintained they would.

Can you really compare Ireland with the UK and Germany in terms of population?

Countries like Ireland, Netherlands etc - they could have had their populations vaxed twice over by now?

This isn't me being nationalistic, but UK, Germany, France, Italy are probably the closest comparisons, surely?

 

[Mrk]

Can you really compare Ireland with the UK and Germany in terms of population?

Countries like Ireland, Netherlands etc - they could have had their populations vaxed twice over by now?

This isn't me being nationalistic, but UK, Germany, France, Italy are probably the closest comparisons, surely?

This is true but misses a more obvious point; our vaccination programme all but exhausted demand about a month ago - we’ve run out of people willing (or allowed to) to get their 1st jab. Happened in the US and I imagine is/will happen in the EU too.

 

[Neiler]

Can you really compare Ireland with the UK and Germany in terms of population?

Countries like Ireland, Netherlands etc - they could have had their populations vaxed twice over by now?

This isn't me being nationalistic, but UK, Germany, France, Italy are probably the closest comparisons, surely?

Not really mate, that is precisely the value behind the EU deal, every country get equal access to same vaccine pro rata proportionally based on population at the same rate as per order.

Essentially Germany, France, Italy etc get the same share pro rata per 100% of their population as Ireland do, absolute equity in distribution pro rata it’s why rates are pretty much similar. Essentially they are all getting the same supply % per 100% of population at any one time. If Germany has 20% supply of their population, we have 20% supply for our population for example.

UK went solo of course.

 

[Neiler]

This is true but misses a more obvious point; our vaccination programme all but exhausted demand about a month ago - we’ve run out of people willing (or allowed to) to get their 1st jab. Happened in the US and I imagine is/will happen in the EU too.

Still just half of the U.K. population to go mate to be fully vaxed, still a big job of work to be done.

Id put the huge change of rates down to different reasons myself.

 

[Tipp blue]

Can you really compare Ireland with the UK and Germany in terms of population?

Countries like Ireland, Netherlands etc - they could have had their populations vaxed twice over by now?

This isn't me being nationalistic, but UK, Germany, France, Italy are probably the closest comparisons, surely?

EU dished out vaccines based on %population ireland has 1.1% of the total EU population and so got 1.1% of the vaccines purchased by the EU..

 

[Mrk]

Still just half of the U.K. population to go mate to be fully vaxed, still a big job of work to be done.

Id put the huge change of rates down to different reasons myself.

Without a doubt - just pointing out something we’ve seen in (pretty much all?) major vaccination programmes worldwide - as you exhaust demand the rates slow dramatically, it’ll happen everywhere (unless vaccines are made mandatory).

We’ve ironically now got a lot of supply but very little demand, not really a lot that can be done to change that aside from public information campaigns encouraging more people to get vaccinated.

 

[BlueToff]

EU dished out vaccines based on %population ireland has 1.1% of the total EU population and so got 1.1% of the vaccines purchased by the EU..

yeah that's fair enough on that model

But had Ireland also gone on its own, they could have got the population done sooner and be in an even better position

regardless, the UK cocked up so much initially that they needed to get the vulnerable groups vaccinated asap and that's what they did, by about late April.

Definitely seen it slow down now which is an issue

 

[BlueToff]

Without a doubt - just pointing out something we’ve seen in (pretty much all?) major vaccination programmes worldwide - as you exhaust demand the rates slow dramatically, it’ll happen everywhere (unless vaccines are made mandatory).

We’ve ironically now got a lot of supply but very little demand, not really a lot that can be done to change that aside from public information campaigns encouraging more people to get vaccinated.

Well, and the crap rule which the gov want to introduce - something which makes it an extra negative not to get the vaccine.

I'm not in favour of something like that having to be done, but I'm more in favour of that than people not getting the vaccine.

 

[Neiler]

Without a doubt - just pointing out something we’ve seen in (pretty much all?) major vaccination programmes worldwide - as you exhaust demand the rates slow dramatically, it’ll happen everywhere (unless vaccines are made mandatory).

We’ve ironically now got a lot of supply but very little demand, not really a lot that can be done to change that aside from public information campaigns encouraging more people to get vaccinated.

The other thing is AZ and the big intervals. I think around much of Europe it’s being phased out. The EU as necessity wained on any vaccine, built its pillar around the MRNAs with the shorter intervals, in its later phases, so from that point of view the U.K. always had a higher rate of first doses as it was front then back loading, but a lag on second, the intervals between EU first and second doses have largely been shorter, but more so as we get to younger cohorts.

One shot J&J likely also turbo boosted the EU in terms of second doses.

Be interesting to see how things go from here, worrying data on children and under 18s and delta, i think we really need to begin to look at vaccinated our under 18 down now, I hope the drug companies are working on this.

 

[Neiler]

yeah that's fair enough on that model

But had Ireland also gone on its own, they could have got the population done sooner and be in an even better position

regardless, the UK cocked up so much initially that they needed to get the vulnerable groups vaccinated asap and that's what they did, by about late April.

Definitely seen it slow down now which is an issue

Without the bargaining power and political might of the EU mate, it’s likely a lot of smaller countries in Europe might be left behind or may not have the scope of the range of vaccines we currently have, currently anything approved on the market is procured and being used all across the EU.

Other thing is the EU got their vaccines much cheaper with great individual legal protections for its citizens then anyone else, by buying in bulk as a clongomarrate as opposed to individual nations going bald headed and drug companies only being interested in big markets for big money.

The EU vaccine passport is gift to, we’re actually using it here domestically for indoor dining, gigs pubs as well as travel across the EU.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is true but misses a more obvious point; our vaccination programme all but exhausted demand about a month ago - we’ve run out of people willing (or allowed to) to get their 1st jab. Happened in the US and I imagine is/will happen in the EU too.

Tortoise and hare situation for Canada and US

 

[LinekersLegs]

We’re going to have a bad flu season if this is true

Meet the Young Adults Sneaking Behind Their QAnon Parents’ Backs to Get Vaccinated

“I am hoping I can blame the government."

slate.com

But, says Rothschild, there is tremendous overlap between anti-vaccination movements and QAnon. He points out that many in the movement are also now against flu and MMR vaccines.

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

Australia and NZ have withdrawn from the rugby league World Cup over here.

They are going to be hermits for years and years if they don't sort out their vaccine drives.

They have kept cases far lower than any other "Westernised" countries but will need to keep themselves isolated and in perpetual lockdowns.

Yeah our vaccination drive is slow, at least though it isn't as slow as Australia. Last I checked 13% of the total population had got a double-dose.

Fortunately with a small population it shouldn't take too much effort to vaccinate everyone as long as we have the supply issue sorted. There is a growing frustration now with the government seemingly not having (or not publicly announcing) a post-COVID strategy.

We can't have borders closed forever, obviously, especially when tourism pre-COVID was our biggest industry, and much of our primary industries (farming, orchards) rely on migrant / seasonal workers. Fingers crossed by New Years' and with the greater majority of the population vaccinated border restrictions will be relaxed and we'll get closer to some kind of normality.