Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Toffee in Jandals said:
What's with the plateauing in USA vaccinations? Trump supporters refusing the jab?
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Combo of that, risk perceptions and some access issues
www.theatlantic.com

Vaccination in America Might Have Only One Tragic Path Forward

COVID-19 vaccination rates have fallen off a cliff. Will it take a deadly summer surge to change things?
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Risk certainly seems to help explain the other major gap in vaccination rates across the U.S. population, between the gray America of retirees and the green one of Millennials. Some 85 percent of seniors have now been vaccinated, versus 55 percent of young adults—a gaping, 30-point spread that matches up, almost perfectly, with the spread between Democrats (86 percent) and Republicans (52 percent). If these two Americas of old and young are making different choices about vaccines, it can’t be just because they’re watching different cable talk shows, or because they vary in their trust in institutions, or because they disagree about the legal merits of Jacobson v. Massachusetts. No, old people are much more likely than young people to get their COVID-19 shots because old people are much more likely to die from the disease, and they know it. The same pattern holds for uptake of the flu shot every year: Seniors, who are at the greatest risk of influenza, are much more likely to be immunized. (The age gap for the flu shot, like the one for COVID-19 vaccination, is roughly 30 points.)
 
@Neiler we’ve discussed this a lot, good to finally have data


A study posted Friday, led by Oxford University, found that delaying the second dose up to 10 weeks boosted antibodies and "helper" T cells that support the immune system higher than giving it at three weeks, as recommended by Pfizer.
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Dr. Lance Turtle, senior clinical lecturer in infectious diseases at University of Liverpool, was also involved in the study. He said that eight weeks between doses is a "reasonable compromise" but added that there are exceptions. People who are immunosuppressed, such as those being treated for cancer, should get second doses of Pfizer's shot as soon as possible, he said.
 
BlueToff said:
yeah that's fair enough on that model

But had Ireland also gone on its own, they could have got the population done sooner and be in an even better position

regardless, the UK cocked up so much initially that they needed to get the vulnerable groups vaccinated asap and that's what they did, by about late April.

Definitely seen it slow down now which is an issue
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If as you say, they went it alone and all the other countries in Europe did the same.

It would all come down to buying power and Ireland would be behind the likes of France and Germany at the table.
 
84 deaths yesterday, it's really starting to look grim for the UK.

meanwhile, Russia hit the rock bottom. There is no 100 something deaths in Europe, yet Russia lead the bunch with 746 deaths yesterday. So weird. Climate doesn't help either.
 
Moomin said:
If as you say, they went it alone and all the other countries in Europe did the same.

It would all come down to buying power and Ireland would be behind the likes of France and Germany at the table.
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Oh sorry I meant on top of their deal with the EU, not just little old Ireland going out on their tod.

What was to stop Ireland going and striking a smaller deal with AZ - just as an example?
 
LinekersLegs said:
@Neiler we’ve discussed this a lot, good to finally have data


A study posted Friday, led by Oxford University, found that delaying the second dose up to 10 weeks boosted antibodies and "helper" T cells that support the immune system higher than giving it at three weeks, as recommended by Pfizer.
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Dr. Lance Turtle, senior clinical lecturer in infectious diseases at University of Liverpool, was also involved in the study. He said that eight weeks between doses is a "reasonable compromise" but added that there are exceptions. People who are immunosuppressed, such as those being treated for cancer, should get second doses of Pfizer's shot as soon as possible, he said.
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@tsubaki looks like that paper got peer reviewed then, or at least more studies have gone on
 
BlueToff said:
Oh sorry I meant on top of their deal with the EU, not just little old Ireland going out on their tod.

What was to stop Ireland going and striking a smaller deal with AZ - just as an example?
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I think the likes of France and Germany started to try and do deals but it goes against the ethos of the EU and working together so they pulled back

Would simply drive the price up if seperate nations started bidding as the one who was willing to pay the most would be serviced first.
 
tsubaki said:
... and if we were changing our policy based on that work it would be great; I just thought doing it in January without any of this work being done was ludicrous.
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Was a gamble because of the dire situation they'd got themselves into.

Had to be done, it ultimately got a lot of people with a significant amount of protection sooner.

Like you referred to it the other day, it's like a war. Well, you have to make judgement calls in war, don't you.

It was a risk but paid off in the long run. Other countries all went with delays too pretty much in the end (most six weeks, by the looks)
 
Moomin said:
I think the likes of France and Germany started to try and do deals but it goes against the ethos of the EU and working together so they pulled back

Would simply drive the price up if seperate nations started bidding as the one who was willing to pay the most would be serviced first.
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And the EU Commission liked having control. Four nations initially did go out on their own on top and were pulled back IIRC.

Anyway, end of the day, it's worked out well. I just think Neiler used a weird comparison given the populations are so vastly different.
 
Neiler said:
Without the bargaining power and political might of the EU mate, it’s likely a lot of smaller countries in Europe might be left behind or may not have the scope of the range of vaccines we currently have, currently anything approved on the market is procured and being used all across the EU.

Other thing is the EU got their vaccines much cheaper with great individual legal protections for its citizens then anyone else, by buying in bulk as a clongomarrate as opposed to individual nations going bald headed and drug companies only being interested in big markets for big money.

The EU vaccine passport is gift to, we’re actually using it here domestically for indoor dining, gigs pubs as well as travel across the EU.
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I just meant on top mate, not against the EU.
 
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