Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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tsubaki said:
not really pete
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Remember all your must be double dosed after 4 weeks, even though the AZ CEO said up to 12 is fine, then you kept going on that our vaccinations were worse than the EU because we were not ‘fully vaccinated’ before it became obvious the the U.K. was playing it clever and correctly by getting the jab into as many arms as possible. Then you kept banging the drum about Track & Trace, now seen to be a £40Bn pingdemic handbrake on the Economy….
 
peteblue said:
Remember all your must be double dosed after 4 weeks, even though the AZ CEO said up to 12 is fine, then you kept going on that our vaccinations were worse than the EU because we were not ‘fully vaccinated’ before it became obvious the the U.K. was playing it clever and correctly by getting the jab into as many arms as possible. Then you kept banging the drum about Track & Trace, now seen to be a £40Bn pingdemic handbrake on the Economy….
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Starting early on the drink today pete. At the risk of getting you to post a load more crap, the misreading of my posts above breaks down as follows:

The 12 weeks point was around two things - how the vaccines received emergency use authority, and how the plan (which was for two doses given over four weeks) was discarded overnight. AZ were able to support a 12 week gap, but Pfizer did not support it and said as much. These changes were brought in without solid data, and without informed consent from the people taking the jab. Now I know you are happy with this because the Tories did it, but there were real risks run with many very vulnerable people’s health.

The “fully vaccinated” point was tied into the above - we had loads of first dose people with partial protection, but not as many with full protection. At the time these were 70 year olds and above and we were locked down; they were the ones put at risk. If we’d dosed at the same rate as initially planned, we’d have ended up at exactly in the same place we did (given the same number of vaccines) but without running that risk with the most vulnerable.

Finally my point about track and trace is, and has always been, that this governments handling of it has been a disgrace. The system I’d like is nothing like what we have, would have cost less, worked better and wouldn’t have caused the pingdemic.
 
tsubaki said:
Starting early on the drink today pete. At the risk of getting you to post a load more crap, the misreading of my posts above breaks down as follows:

The 12 weeks point was around two things - how the vaccines received emergency use authority, and how the plan (which was for two doses given over four weeks) was discarded overnight. AZ were able to support a 12 week gap, but Pfizer did not support it and said as much. These changes were brought in without solid data, and without informed consent from the people taking the jab. Now I know you are happy with this because the Tories did it, but there were real risks run with many very vulnerable people’s health.

The “fully vaccinated” point was tied into the above - we had loads of first dose people with partial protection, but not as many with full protection. At the time these were 70 year olds and above and we were locked down; they were the ones put at risk. If we’d dosed at the same rate as initially planned, we’d have ended up at exactly in the same place we did (given the same number of vaccines) but without running that risk with the most vulnerable.

Finally my point about track and trace is, and has always been, that this governments handling of it has been a disgrace. The system I’d like is nothing like what we have, would have cost less, worked better and wouldn’t have caused the pingdemic.
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Instead of starting the day with an insult, you might try putting your hand up and occasionally admitting you were wrong……
 
BlueToff said:
Was a gamble because of the dire situation they'd got themselves into.

Had to be done, it ultimately got a lot of people with a significant amount of protection sooner.

Like you referred to it the other day, it's like a war. Well, you have to make judgement calls in war, don't you.

It was a risk but paid off in the long run. Other countries all went with delays too pretty much in the end (most six weeks, by the looks)
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I don’t think it was, and I do wonder whether that u-turn followed by subsequent u-turns (away from 12 weeks) has contributed to some of this hesitant feeling from people who haven’t got it yet.
 
tsubaki said:
I don’t think it was, and I do wonder whether that u-turn followed by subsequent u-turns (away from 12 weeks) has contributed to some of this hesitant feeling from people who haven’t got it yet.
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I mean it wasn't so much a u-turn to drop down from 12 weeks. When supply allowed, they did so, that's all it was.

The 12-week span was a big gamble - less-so with AZ than Pfizer. Ultimately it helped those vulnerable groups get their first vaccine.

It probably also helped myself get my first dose sooner (in June), and I'm glad I did, because the last three days have been rough enough even with that extra protection.
 
tsubaki said:
I don’t think it was, and I do wonder whether that u-turn followed by subsequent u-turns (away from 12 weeks) has contributed to some of this hesitant feeling from people who haven’t got it yet.
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That's the trouble when poorly run government starts playing politics with matters of health. Which they clearly have with vaccines both nationally and internationally to detract from massive failings in the basics of rudimentary good governance... I get the gamble just don't go down the hubris route this knobhead government always does, it's amateurish and does not install confidence.
 
So my mate/colleague yesterday who’s double jabbed and needs to do his PCR to travel to work which he got done in the hospital in Spain where he lives got a positive result! He didn’t believe it so went to another place and paid for another test and got the results this morning, Negative! WTF is going on? He’s now taking a 3rd test to see if he can travel! Problem with this is if he’s negative he will still be part of the statistics for a positive test and will add to the numbers of ‘new cases’ when it’s simply not true..

Utter Bollocks!
 
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