Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Tbh I could understand taking the risk, it was not doing the data collection to inform quite what risk there was or be able to see if it wasn’t working that I found odd.
Along with the ethical issue of not getting informed consent from the participants which I still find very troubling.
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In terms of risk, I still don’t - we were locked down and there was the time to do the most vulnerable properly, as well as millions of others. By now we’d have the same result anyway.
Not recording the results of this scientifically was wrong though; one can only guess why they wouldn’t want success or failure recorded.
Presumably boosters vs variants for vulnerable
Thankfully Alpha didn’t have the same reduction in efficiency on one dose as Delta does
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Indeed.
Vaccine protection against serious illness still good thankfully but the added bonus of reducing transmission seems to fade over time unfortunately with Delta.
www.i24news.tv
Israel's Health Ministry reported Thursday that the Pfizer vaccine's efficacy in preventing delta variant infections has dropped to 39 percent, while the vaccination was still 91 percent effective in preventing serious illness among those fully inoculated. The latest figures are based on cases logged from June 20 to July 17, a period when the delta variant of COVID-19 spread throughout Israel.
The report has also reflected the decreasing potency of the vaccination, showing a mere 16 percent effectiveness against transmission among those vaccinated in January, compared to 44 percent of those vaccinated in February, 67 percent of those who received their shots in March, and 75 percent for those vaccinated in April.
The vaccine’s effectiveness at preventing severe cases for those vaccinated in January remains 86 percent, according to the figures, only slightly lower than those vaccinated in the following months.
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The report has also reflected the decreasing potency of the vaccination, showing a mere 16 percent effectiveness against transmission among those vaccinated in January, compared to 44 percent of those vaccinated in February, 67 percent of those who received their shots in March, and 75 percent for those vaccinated in April.
The vaccine’s effectiveness at preventing severe cases for those vaccinated in January remains 86 percent, according to the figures, only slightly lower than those vaccinated in the following months.
EU following the US path rather than the Uk one on vaccination of teens
What about the other countries who went with six with no evidence? Netherlands, France, Belgium I believe, both did six weeks.
It was all a risk. You can't say it was without justification because it ultimately worked and paid off and they based it on how other vaccines have dealt with other viruses.
In an ideal world they wouldn't have done it, but we don't live in an ideal world.
I highly doubt they would have been got to when they had been given the supply issues at the start.
70-80% protection in a lot more people ultimately worked for the best.
Hospitals getting majority of admissions in unvaccinated under 50s
Like the “exclusion” reporting which helps rule out those who are admitted with Covid rather than because of Covid symptoms.
Like the “exclusion” reporting which helps rule out those who are admitted with Covid rather than because of Covid symptoms.
tsubaki
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Of course I can say it was a risk without justification. Saying it worked misses the point too - did it work better than the original plan would have? We will never know.
As for the countries that went to six weeks, that was after running less (much less) risk. IIRC they also didn’t threaten their medical staff either.
100% what they're doing
Not saying I actually agree with it, but it seems clear to me it's the plan.
If there's a large level of natural immunity/vaccination combined heading into the winter, then we're in a stronger position.
That's why on top of that you then have measures that mean only vaccinated people can do things which, while I think is crap, again ultimately makes sense because it's another way of, in theory, limiting restrictions and encouraging vaccination.
Where have I said anything about threatening or not threatening medical staff?
I mean, they did have Macron insisting he no longer needed expert advice, like, so swings and round abouts I suppose.
You're right, we'll never know. But the theory behind it was the vaccines would offer enough protection. Maybe they should have gone shorter initially (they probably should have, I agree, with Pfizer) but ultimately they needed to make a judgement call because the winter lockdowns last year were so awfully handled.
They had to compensate, so had to make a snap decision. Right now, it's really not worth arguing about is it.
Spacing to 6 weeks from the original 3 weeks was far less of a risk though, iirc there was even (limited) original trial data that had a gap of 40 days and Pfizer scientists were a lot more relaxed about it.
COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says
Professor Ugur Sahin says the UK should provide evidence to back up its vaccination strategy.
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