Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Spacing to 6 weeks from the original 3 weeks was far less of a risk though, iirc there was even (limited) original trial data that had a gap of 40 days and Pfizer scientists were a lot more relaxed about it.

COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says

Professor Ugur Sahin says the UK should provide evidence to back up its vaccination strategy.

news.sky.com

I don't think there was any trial at all other than 3 weeks (upon release of the vaccine at least) but I agree that yes, the shorter the gap, the less of a risk.

But it's still a risk. Tsubaki's issue was going against Pfizer's guidance.

It worked Legs, and that's what matters. The Dr in the article there, proved wrong. His concerns were valid, I didn't say they were. They aren't valid anymore.

Europe have caught up, UK need to get younger people to get the jab quick and then follow EU and other places with it in kids too and get everyone done asap.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

I don't think there was any trial at all other than 3 weeks (upon release of the vaccine at least) but I agree that yes, the shorter the gap, the less of a risk.

But it's still a risk. Tsubaki's issue was going against Pfizer's guidance.

It worked Legs, and that's what matters. The Dr in the article there, proved wrong. His concerns were valid, I didn't say they were. They aren't valid anymore.

Europe have caught up, UK need to get younger people to get the jab quick and then follow EU and other places with it in kids too and get everyone done asap.

There wasn’t a seperate trial as such, from what I recall (and I could well be wrong, all the reports blur into one at some point!) it was that instead of the recommended 21 days a few people couldn’t get their second jabs in time and so the gap was occasionally longer with one person having a 40 day interval.

Yes it thankfully worked although I’ll note that even with this report they say that the very vulnerable should still be at the original 3 weeks and overall recommend 8 weeks rather than 12. However I still feel not recording the data in real time to determine if the theory was being supported in practice was poor methodology - even if it was only a few nursing homes you split into two arms and compared and contrasted their results that would have given important data rather than waiting months for this report to come out.

You also aren’t addressing the lack of informed consent - if you are taking part in a off label dosage trial, which this effectively was, you should be told of the risks and sign up for them.

 

[bebo86]

39 percent efficacy from transmission now from Israel? Ffs, looks like we are all eventually just gonna have to take it on the chin and get on with it

 

[BlueToff]

There wasn’t a seperate trial as such, from what I recall (and I could well be wrong, all the reports blur into one at some point!) it was that instead of the recommended 21 days a few people couldn’t get their second jabs in time and so the gap was occasionally longer with one person having a 40 day interval.

Yes it thankfully worked although I’ll note that even with this report they say that the very vulnerable should still be at the original 3 weeks and overall recommend 8 weeks rather than 12. However I still feel not recording the data in real time to determine if the theory was being supported in practice was poor methodology - even if it was only a few nursing homes you split into two arms and compared and contrasted their results that would have given important data rather than waiting months for this report to come out.

You also aren’t addressing the lack of informed consent - if you are taking part in a off label dosage trial, which this effectively was, you should be told of the risks and sign up for them.

We're all taking part in a trial all over the world, Legs.

Nobody gave their consent to losing businesses and jobs.

 

[peteblue]

I was speaking to a friend of my missus the other day and she was predicting Armageddon again in the shops, she came to this conclusion because when she was at Morrison's the shelves were empty of bottled water, I pointed out that maybe they were empty because of the hot weather we were having, she then looked at me as if I was stupid.

omg we’ve run out of bottled water…

 

[LinekersLegs]

So a doctor can go to workplace filled with vulnerable people but not to the supermarket?

 

[LinekersLegs]

We're all taking part in a trial all over the world, Legs.

Nobody gave their consent to losing businesses and jobs.

Quite different in my eyes from medical trials where getting informed consent is standard practice and relatively straightforward to do but we’ll leave it there.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Cross fingers thr better news on cases continues

 

[roydo]

I thought I was just a crap gardener when not one poppy I planted have flowered this year.

Today I found out that not one poppy, (well, hardly any) has flowered in the UK since Covid..........how weird is that?

 

[bluelife]

Cases are looking better - 12 days after the end of the Euros, sounds about right. Will be counteracted by the 19th reopening in a week's time though

 

[peteblue]

I thought I was just a crap gardener when not one poppy I planted have flowered this year.

Today I found out that not one poppy, (well, hardly any) has flowered in the UK since Covid..........how weird is that?

I had a garden full…no different to every other year tbh…..

 

[peteblue]

Cases are looking better - 12 days after the end of the Euros, sounds about right. Will be counteracted by the 19th reopening in a week's time though

The quicker everybody has had it or been vaccinated the better…..

 

[arminisgod]

Cases dropping like a China bomb.

Stick a fork in it. The vaccine has won

 

[roydo]

I had a garden full…no different to every other year tbh…..

Red poppies? In flower?

Give Gardeners Question Time a call, cos they gave me the info just an hour ago. They are baffled.