Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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The problem with this is that you (and the government) are assuming that we could contain it at a particular level, which is an impossibility - you either have it under control (and suffer few deaths) or you don't (and suffer many more deaths).

Aiming for a sweet spot in the middle where you don't have to deal with the negatives of containment or the disease is doomed to failure.

Theres no real middle ground though? Cases/hospitalisations/deaths always rise as you reopen. Clearly with vaccinations preventing a significant percentage of deaths will help significantly. The deaths will be much lower this wave. They might be 200-300 a day but it will go down.

If vaccinations prevent say 80% of hospitalisations/deaths that means deaths would be 3% higher than 2018 or 2019 (obviously thats on the basis that NHS can cope).
 
Once again we hear scaremongering information from the Glummer half of Glum and Glummer. Data has context and if you end up in hospital after falling down the stairs for example and you had Covid anyway, then that’s recorded as a Covid hospitalisation.

The hospital figures are not all Covid matters and this needs to be addressed, instead it’s being recorded as Covid and scaring people.

Even if they all are Covid, then they will not rise to a level we will be locked down again. Even if they do, another lockdown will not happen. The Government know full well that not very many people will comply to it as they have had a guts full of it, are fed up as it is with mental health on the plunge, domestic violence going up and they also know full well we just have to get on with our lives now.

They know our minds are focused on July 19th. They announced this despite numbers rising, so it’s clear what they are thinking although Boris’s “Bodies pile high” statement is sickening and never been denied by Boris himself, just a spokesman which to me isn’t an authentic denial.

Also, the economy has taken a huge bashing as it has and the government don’t want that being harmed again.

If the worse comes along, they’ll forecast this and get the jabs ramped up all in good time.

I know it sounds selfish, but let’s get out there any time from next week and enjoy ourselves, it’s been too long and let’s start making plans for our futures. I’m planning Iceland in late August, a trip to Liverpool to see friends when I return and then plan Christmas. I will however still wear a mask wherever I go but cannot wait for drinks at the bar to return. Table service is getting quite a “rotter” to quote Basil Fawlty while he’s fawning up to “Lord Melbury”.

I think it’s really wrong they will still post the figures after the 19th. Let’s just stop reporting on Covid for now and bring it back up when we seriously need to know something MSM. Still, knowing the way their sick minds go, they’ll still go on. Apparently it’s “in the public interest” to keep reporting the figures, more like the interest of the scaremongering MSM.

RIP to all those who have died of this horrible disease, alongside my condolences to their families. Flu is killing people 5-10 times worse and we don’t get thrown into our domestic prisons for that while streaming Netflix and repeats of A Place in the Sun.

This thread should be locked on the 19th, then reopened IF it’s an issue worth discussing again. Just an opinion and I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I’m going to keep out of this thread for now and will make a thread about songs that never made the top 40, but are so well known, just to keep our thoughts away from this.

Let’s look forward but be cautious
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Thousands sounds horrendous but there needs to be an acceptable level. Obviously over 100,000 is far from acceptable but if it was 5000 over the next 12 months that has to be deemed acceptable as thats somewhere around 1% of deaths per year.

I do think the tories would probably accept somewhere around 20,000-25,000 deaths over the next 12 months which might be a bit too high.

By just giving low 4 figures numbers it sounds all fine and dandy, but you have to ask yourself would you be comfortable if one of those was someone who was near and dear to you that otherwise wouldn't have died without extreme loosening of restrictions? We all owe it to each other to keep those figures as low as possible, but I get the distinct feeling that some wouldn't care as long as they have their 'freedom'.
 
The problem is when you open up = cases rise.

The genie is out the bottle
The horse has bolted the stables
The Covid has left the Wuhan Lab

It really is a case of living with this now and invest in more hospitals / greater NHS staff numbers/beds etc to cope with increases hospitalizations until we find some magic treatment which could take years if not decades.
 
The problem is when you open up = cases rise.

The genie is out the bottle
The horse has bolted the stables
The Covid has left the Wuhan Lab

It really is a case of living with this now and invest in more hospitals / greater NHS staff numbers/beds etc to cope with increases hospitalizations until we find some magic treatment which could take years if not decades.
All well and good saying invest in hospitals to be able to live with it… but throwing money at the NHS now won’t buy the time needed. If we get to 2,000+ hospitalisations per day for an extended period then it will bring the NHS to a halt - no matter how much money you throw at them

We need to learn to live with it when that‘s feasible - at the minute the feasibility is looking in doubt
 
All well and good saying invest in hospitals to be able to live with it… but throwing money at the NHS now won’t buy the time needed. If we get to 2,000+ hospitalisations per day for an extended period then it will bring the NHS to a halt - no matter how much money you throw at them

We need to learn to live with it when that‘s feasible - at the minute the feasibility is looking in doubt

Think it depends on hospital numbers and how many currently in hospital have only had 1 or no jabs.

Assuming by September most over 18s have had both doses you would hope that cases will peak.

The only thing that really hasn't opened up is nightclubs and most who frequent them will be young and largely vaccinated.

We cant keep throwing money down the drain on lockdowns/furlough imo.
 
Think it depends on hospital numbers and how many currently in hospital have only had 1 or no jabs.

Assuming by September most over 18s have had both doses you would hope that cases will peak.

The only thing that really hasn't opened up is nightclubs and most who frequent them will be young and largely vaccinated.

We cant keep throwing money down the drain on lockdowns/furlough imo.
But those open up on Monday iirc and a high percentage of their likely customers haven’t even had one dose.
 
But those open up on Monday iirc and a high percentage of their likely customers haven’t even had one dose.


Looking at that you can see why hospital numbers are still relatively high.

Once the over 25's are largely all double jabbed and hopefully Indian variant boosters are given the numbers should die down.

I imagine the government are expecting a surge from now til around September in which by then most if not all over 25's will have had jab no 2.
 
By just giving low 4 figures numbers it sounds all fine and dandy, but you have to ask yourself would you be comfortable if one of those was someone who was near and dear to you that otherwise wouldn't have died without extreme loosening of restrictions? We all owe it to each other to keep those figures as low as possible, but I get the distinct feeling that some wouldn't care as long as they have their 'freedom'.

Lockdowns = death and suffering in other ways though. The worst year possible for my family and nobody has died from COVID.

I agree that wearing masks until a couple more million are vaccinated isn't a bad idea but more will die in the winter than now so if we're saying keep masks and social distancing now they probably need to be in place until May 2021.
 
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Lockdowns = death and suffering in other ways though. The worst year possible for my family and nobody has died from COVID.

I agree that wearing masks until a couple more million are vaccinated isn't a bad idea but more will die in the winter than now so if we're saying keep masks and social distancing now they probably need to be in place until May 2021.

Hope things are looking up mate. I dont reckon any family have had a blast these last 18 months, but everyones individual bubble of life will be different. Young families in a flat with kids must have been dreadful for example, but equally, elderly folk being terrified cos they read and see the news must have been grim as well.

This seemingly "lets see" policy does not sit well with me, on a personal basis. But if it means that the young'uns get some relief, then maybe its time us older/vulnerable ones, all vaxed, keep ourselves safe, and appreciate the sacrifice their generation made to protect us.
 
Hope things are looking up mate. I dont reckon any family have had a blast these last 18 months, but everyones individual bubble of life will be different. Young families in a flat with kids must have been dreadful for example, but equally, elderly folk being terrified cos they read and see the news must have been grim as well.

This seemingly "lets see" policy does not sit well with me, on a personal basis. But if it means that the young'uns get some relief, then maybe its time us older/vulnerable ones, all vaxed, keep ourselves safe, and appreciate the sacrifice their generation made to protect us.

I don't agree with completely opening up tomorrow in all honesty but I don't really know what the answer is. Ideally everyone should just get vaccinated. If everyone in the older groups was vaccinated we'd be in a much better position.
 
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