Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Policy needs reviewing for schools. The policy should be that if theres a positive test in a class the rest of the class have to test every 1 or 2 days. If say 4 or more test positive then close the class for the next 10 days.

At least that’s a solution presented - I haven’t seen anyone else so far put something forward

my comment about eventually getting to a place where we stop testing is that surely that’s where we want to be

 

[WA Toffee]

And the roll out of the vaccine really matters

But yes, as I’ve said previously in this thread, I wish the uk had got the other stuff half as right as in Aus

Doesn’t change the fact that 18 months in, then being a hermit kingdom and introducing snap 2-week lockdowns for a handful of cases isn’t something to be lauded or celebrated - it’s not normality

Not many in Australia are happy with the federal govts handling of it, but the lockdowns are being called by state govts.
In the absence of the federal govt doing its job properly, the states have had to manage it with the hand they are dealt - and that is snap lockdowns to prevent a small cluster becoming a major outbreak.

 

[degsy]

In the last 16 mths QLD has had 7 Covid deaths from 1800 cases...and I've lost count of the lockdowns 2mths, 14 days, 14 days, 4 days maybe more.??
And the Premier is banging on and on and on

6moths before Covid 38 died from ordinary 'flu...not a peep from her then, now it's all Dads Army - dont panic, don't panic...we're all doomed...zero case tolerance or nothing
They've got to learn to live with it some how without shutting the place down everytime somebody sneezes
Flu 38 = nowt
Covid 7 = panic

 

[Blues Harp]

How horrid of the BBC for showing graphs with data I'm guessing that comes from central government and the ONS.

The BBC i would class as neutral and report the data.

Certain newspapers have definately got an agenda and have been pushing the " Freedom day " as some nationalistic triumph as they did with Brexit.

We've had journalists like Toby Young, Isobel Oakenshot moaning about lockdowns and questioning the experts when it came to lockdowns and called them tyrants and fear mongering when they said a second wave will come in the Autumn.

Young even claimed in June that Covid has gone and disappeared into thin air. We would have no second wave in the winter. They are the real tyrants, the ones who question the experts and try to discredit them.

Spot on @Moomin.....of course the majority of the right wing owned media have been pushing for "freedom day" for ages. How anyone can believe that it's all down to scare tactics from said media is beyond me.

 

[BlueToff]

Not many in Australia are happy with the federal govts handling of it, but the lockdowns are being called by state govts.
In the absence of the federal govt doing its job properly, the states have had to manage it with the hand they are dealt - and that is snap lockdowns to prevent a small cluster becoming a major outbreak.

Yep I see that. I know why they're having to do it. But it's no success story.

And surely the quarantining of people even being able to leave - unless for extraordinary reasons - is on the fed gov.

18 months in for a country that handled it so well so they had a low base to work from, it seems like a step back. I know you've explained the reasons and you obviously know a lot more than me.

Are Perth/WA out of lockdown again now?

 

[WA Toffee]

Yep I see that. I know why they're having to do it. But it's no success story.

And surely the quarantining of people even being able to leave - unless for extraordinary reasons - is on the fed gov.

18 months in for a country that handled it so well so they had a low base to work from, it seems like a step back. I know you've explained the reasons and you obviously know a lot more than me.

Are Perth/WA out of lockdown again now?

I think we both agree Aus managed it very well in the beginning, but not so well now.

We come out of lockdown tomorrow night, no new cases yesterday or today.
Probably have to wear masks for a few days then back to "normal" (as long as you have no plans to leave or enter the country )

 

[tsubaki]

The answer really has to be to stop testing as much, so that's how the disruption stops.

But then there's the risk of not being able to contain it.

It's a big mess but I think every nation is tackling the same issue. there's going to be some point where testing has to be dropped unless you NEED to be tested, though or, as you say, the disruption just gets out of hand.

You can’t contain it with testing now, so reducing testing of the types were are doing now won’t have any impact (unless you stop gatekeeper testing in hospital and care home locations).

 

[tsubaki]

How horrid of the BBC for showing graphs with data I'm guessing that comes from central government and the ONS.

The BBC i would class as neutral and report the data.

Certain newspapers have definately got an agenda and have been pushing the " Freedom day " as some nationalistic triumph as they did with Brexit.

We've had journalists like Toby Young, Isobel Oakenshot moaning about lockdowns and questioning the experts when it came to lockdowns and called them tyrants and fear mongering when they said a second wave will come in the Autumn.

Young even claimed in June that Covid has gone and disappeared into thin air. We would have no second wave in the winter. They are the real tyrants, the ones who question the experts and try to discredit them.

Toby Young is a prize cretin and the fact he’s built a very successful, very lucrative career out of being a prize cretin in public should tell everyone all they need to know about the state of the British media.

 

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Y Not Festival cancelled for second year running

Organisers say they have "no choice" but to delay due to a lack of clarity from the government.

www.bbc.com

 

[BlueToff]

You can’t contain it with testing now, so reducing testing of the types were are doing now won’t have any impact (unless you stop gatekeeper testing in hospital and care home locations).

I generally mean down the line in terms of the end goal is we shouldn't be testing for something we're all vaccinated against unless there's a specific situation (working in hospital, care etc off the top of my head) or you show the very specific symptoms.

I'm not saying that is just around the corner, but down the line, that's what the aim is surely.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Today..

27,989 new cases and 22 new deaths

 

[Tramps_mate]

Its now been 3 weeks since we hit 6000 new cases a day, and still no spike in daily deaths. The next three weeks will tell us if deaths are going to rise at all. Come 19th July, if deaths haven't risen then I would think he'll open everything back up.

Like said before. This virus isnt going away, but with vaccines its going to have to be lived with in future.

Is the virus weakening? Thats a possibility,,, More infectious but less fatalities.

 

[Goat]

Today..

27,989 new cases and 22 new deaths

7 days ago 21 deaths.

For context.

 

[tsubaki]

I generally mean down the line in terms of the end goal is we shouldn't be testing for something we're all vaccinated against unless there's a specific situation (working in hospital, care etc off the top of my head) or you show the very specific symptoms.

I'm not saying that is just around the corner, but down the line, that's what the aim is surely.

I suppose it depends on what is going on around the world - we absolutely 100% need to have a vastly better track, trace and isolate system already in place so that lock-downs are very much the last rather than the only resort for effective containment.

Once we have it, I think to ensure that system (and the public's understanding of it) stays fit for purpose and regularly exercised using it over the winter for things like this and the flu would be the best use of it - in addition to keeping the system itself up and the deaths we'd prevent, we'd also probably find ourselves being a centre of excellence and it would support a whole load of useful skills and industries too.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 15 deaths were announced today, up 1 on yesterday and down 1 on last Thursday. 12 deaths were in English hospitals, down 1 on yesterday and up 1 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 13.71

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 22 deaths were announced today, up 8 on yesterday and up 1 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 16.29

For the 60 day cut off, 25 deaths were announced today, up 3 on yesterday and up 1 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 20.71