Saw an article today in which a consultant stated that the majority of seriously ill hospitalisations were people who had for whatever reason refused the vaccine
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Hospital figures - 14 deaths were announced today, down 6 on yesterday and down 2 on last Wednesday. 13 deaths were in English hospitals, down 7 on yesterday and up 2 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 13.86
All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 14 deaths were announced today, down 9 on yesterday and down 5 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 16.14
For the 60 day cut off, 22 deaths were announced today, down 4 on yesterday and down 5 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 20.57
All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 14 deaths were announced today, down 9 on yesterday and down 5 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 16.14
For the 60 day cut off, 22 deaths were announced today, down 4 on yesterday and down 5 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 20.57
I think that might be a bit of a generalisation tbf.
There's been a lot of younger people in hospital too, and that's not just because they've refused the vaccine - it's because it hadn't got to them yet in terms of roll out. But that's now changing.
People might be right to worry about the risks of relying on the vaccines but right now they simply are the way out. Because the alternative is doing what Aus are doing, and that's not a real option.
You missed the seriously ill bit. The majority of young people going in are not in that category
My wife had her vaccination yesterday, but they injected it into her upper leg, is that usual?
She currently has no side effects, but her pfizer quite sore.
She currently has no side effects, but her pfizer quite sore.
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Never heard of this before
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First bubble in our school down today. We've been lucky though, girlfriend's school have currently got 3 classes isolating and half of my sisters are off too. Absolutely limping through to the end of the year.
They need concrete plans in place as quickly as possible for September. Testing to release sounds good but that's going to be a lot of tests they'll have to turn around in a short space of time.
With the way the numbers are going I don't think I'm exaggerating to say we could have 60,000 a day again very soon. Hospitalisations are down but there's as much disruption as ever.
They need concrete plans in place as quickly as possible for September. Testing to release sounds good but that's going to be a lot of tests they'll have to turn around in a short space of time.
With the way the numbers are going I don't think I'm exaggerating to say we could have 60,000 a day again very soon. Hospitalisations are down but there's as much disruption as ever.
In Liverpool, there was just over 150 confirmed cases of COVID vaccine in secondary pupils, but there were over 4000 children isolating due to bubbles.
That's a ratio of 1:26 in terms of pupils testing positive and those being forced to isolate. Now, you could argue such a system will keep the infections low.
The rate in primaries is slightly lower at 1:23. Yet, I suspect the Education Secretary will simply see it as keeping too many children off with 350k nationally.
So it'll be scrapped.
The answer really has to be to stop testing as much, so that's how the disruption stops.
But then there's the risk of not being able to contain it.
It's a big mess but I think every nation is tackling the same issue. there's going to be some point where testing has to be dropped unless you NEED to be tested, though or, as you say, the disruption just gets out of hand.
We might as well stop testing drink drivers, so we can get the numbers down.
That's really not the same though is it.
You can't vaccinate against drink drivers, unfortunately. You can against COVID, and they work miraculously well.
You either have to drop the testing or change what a positive test result means. It can't be 10 days of isolation, it can't be having to pay through your nose for a release test. And it can't be entire bubbles having to be off school or possibly work if it's not a job they can do from home.
It's a stupid idea to highlight your stupid idea.
The school issue is a mess currently, need to have a better more robust plan for after the school holidays.
The stop testing is just like being an Ostrich and sticking your head in the sand and hoping for the best.
I didn't just mean with schools but what's the way forward?
We don't test for any other illness? And we don't have vaccines for every illness on the planet.
I'm talking long term - do you think that early next year we should really be forcing people to isolate for a virus that everybody is vaccinated against? Should we really be doing as many tests? Why should they, in theory, be needed?
There is no other way out of it - for schools or anything else. In the schools case, what is the plan that you'd suggest? Do we scrap the contact tracing, for example?
We probably need to get secondary school kids vaccinated asap, but the focus is rightly on adults still until everyone has their first dose (or has been offered one).
Edit: I also did add to my post saying that surely the first step is to change what the testing means, in terms of isolation, contact tracing etc.
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