Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

We have vaccines. We have a roll out that has gone really well.

So we carry on.

Because if we stop, if we don't carry on, then we'll never get out of this state of limbo.

That should be the same for any country.

The delay we're having now - well that's okay, as long as it is used to get more and more people vaccinated (which in fairness, it is).

Did you get your jab yet mate?

Its an interesting one, its a high case incidence and we are right slap bang in the middle of June, imagine this happened in Sep. From a selfish point of view id like you guys take this in hand as it will inevitably be problematic elsewhere if you guys have a high instance.

Then what to do in Sep time - Autumn time as vaccine immunity begins to wane a bit.

 

[roydo]

Did you get your jab yet mate?

Its an interesting one, its a high case incidence and we are right slap bang in the middle of June, imagine this happened in Sep. From a selfish point of view id like you guys take this in hand as it will inevitably be problematic elsewhere if you guys have a high instance.

Then what to do in Sep time - Autumn time as vaccine immunity begins to wane a bit.

NHS are already working on a flu/covid booster for the autumn.

 

[Neiler]

Still a fair bit of the population to go in the UK in terms of vaccinations.

 

[Neiler]

NHS are already working on a flu/covid booster for the autumn.

Good stuff mate, we will need a third dose defo. Ill be looking for one defo.

 

[BlueToff]

Did you get your jab yet mate?

Its an interesting one, its a high case incidence and we are right slap bang in the middle of June, imagine this happened in Sep. From a selfish point of view id like you guys take this in hand as it will inevitably be problematic elsewhere if you guys have a high instance.

Then what to do in Sep time - Autumn time as vaccine immunity begins to wane a bit.

At half 8 this morning mate, Pfizer. Everyone I know now has had their first at least (quite a few had their second) - all my mates got done this week. I have my second booked for September 12th but I can actually now alter that down to an 8-week gap rather than 12.

Most people don't need any help in fighting off COVID. That can't be forgotten. Most people my age would be absolutely fine not getting the vaccine. In fact, most people under 50 probably would be. But the vaccine should obviously be taken to help herd immunity.

The answer for the autumn is boosters for the vulnerable groups, in the same way the flu jab is rolled out. Those boosters will have to be able to tackle the variants and that's the tricky bit but there's no evidence any of the variants are immune to any of the vaccines. Some of the vaccines just aren't quite as effective against certain variants. But again, the main weapon is people's immune systems, the vaccines just help boost that.

We just have to get on with life.

Cases may well be higher - and we're doing an awful lot of testing - but deaths remain very low. Because people generally who are now going to hospital aren't ending up on their death beds or on life support.

 

[Neiler]

At half 8 this morning mate. Everyone I know now has had their first at least (quite a few had their second) - all my mates got done this week. I have my second booked for September 12th but I can actually now alter that down to an 8-week gap rather than 12.

Most people don't need any help in fighting off COVID. That can't be forgotten. Most people my age would be absolutely fine not getting the vaccine. In fact, most people under 50 probably would be. But the vaccine should obviously be taken to help herd immunity.

The answer for the autumn is boosters for the vulnerable groups, in the same way the flu jab is rolled out. Those boosters will have to be able to tackle the variants and that's the tricky bit but there's no evidence any of the variants are immune to any of the vaccines. Some of the vaccines just aren't quite as effective. But again, the main weapon is people's immune systems, the vaccines just help boost that.

We just have to get on with life.

Nice one pal, im delighted for you! Hope you get a tame time, side effects wise!

The figures point to young people all right, but the growth is a concern, its a real dilemma for the UK i think, its the first time a decision has had to be made on one having a strong vaccine profile and staying open. Do you increase the exponential growth, or do you try and contain and keep life going. There is the systemic element now, selfishly id like it not to be seeded to other countries but, if its this prevalent in the UK its inevitable it will be seeded more and more all across Europe.

Whats the deal on boosters have you guys sorted deals out or are you going to be using your existing gen 1 stock? I think you guys have a massive overhang. Dont see it being a problem think the EU and States have ditched AZ for new deals so i think you guys could exclusively use them.

 

[BlueToff]

Nice one pal, im delighted for you! Hope you get a tame time, side effects wise!

The figures point to young people all right, but the growth is a concern, its a real dilemma for the UK i think, its the first time a decision has had to be made on one having a strong vaccine profile and staying open. Do you increase the exponential growth, or do you try and contain and keep life going. There is the systemic element now, selfishly id like it not to be seeded to other countries but, if its this prevalent in the UK its inevitable it will be seeded more and more all across Europe.

Whats the deal on boosters have you guys sorted deals out or are you going to be using your existing gen 1 stock? I think you guys have a massive overhang. Dont see it being a problem think the EU and States have ditched AZ for new deals so i think you guys could exclusively use them.

Thanks mate, sure it'll be fine. Of my 8-9 mates who got their first jab in the last 10 days (all Pfizer) only one has had anything worse than a sore arm, and he was knocked ill for a day or so but that was it.

Don't know with the boosters tbh. I think with your middle point, that's the point - in theory - of this delay to at least July 19th. It's to get pretty much everybody (which is going to be hit) above 18 offered their first jab by the time July 19th comes around. So that's pretty much the entire adult population with at least 70-80% protection from serious illness.

We have to bite the bullet. In every country.

 

[BlueToff]

Still a fair bit of the population to go in the UK in terms of vaccinations.

But he's moved the goalposts. He's using that as an entire population figure. When hardly any country, as far as I'm aware, have started rolling out the vaccine programme to children yet.

We know why the delivery and roll out slowed in April and May. We knew it was happening and now it's back out again.

There's walk in centres all the time. You don't even need to book. It doesn't exactly scream of a roll out that is going slowly.

I'm not having a dig at you here Neiler, but that bloke is using numbers to fit his narrative (which he even admits in that thread).

They've done it by age - pretty much - since the very start here. Bar extremely vulnerable people, they have more often than not done it by age. We're now in 18.

I'm sure in September they'll have the mass roll out of vaccines in high schools and colleges.

 

[Neiler]

But he's moved the goalposts. He's using that as an entire population figure. When hardly any country, as far as I'm aware, have started rolling out the vaccine programme to children yet.

We know why the delivery and roll out slowed in April and May. We knew it was happening and now it's back out again.

There's walk in centres all the time. You don't even need to book. It doesn't exactly scream of a roll out that is going slowly.

I'm not having a dig at you here Neiler, but that bloke is using numbers to fit his narrative (which he even admits in that thread).

They've done it by age - pretty much - since the very start here. Bar extremely vulnerable people, they have more often than not done it by age. We're now in 18.

I'm sure in September they'll have the mass roll out of vaccines in high schools and colleges.

Absolutely the overall population figures do drag down the average if compared to over 18s mate, still it shows how big the younger cohorts are the younger you go, which is why i always keep an eye on the stat. No issue there mate.

I think supply has dipped a bit in the UK, recently but i think you are punching well regardless. I think your first shipment of J&J is due in July to, which will help, but not sure what you will do with it, not sure if you are using it on younger cohorts. Did you say you got AZ mate, i thought you guys stopped using it for younger people, or can you elect to get it.

At the moment i think we are seeing a change, in who will be vaccinated in the population, the EU has sanctioned Pfizer to be used from 12 up, so most EU countries will now be vaccinating down to 12 year olds, some have already started. Moderna have applied for approval to the EMA as well. Not sure what the craic is in the UK.

• France will start vaccinating teenagers from age 12 with the Pfizer's vaccine on 15 June, the government said on 2 June as it looks to avoid schools closures in September.
• Germany plans to offer a first shot to children aged 12-16 from 7 June, while Poland would offer shots to those aged 12-15 the same day.
• Lithuania's prime minister said the country could start vaccinating children from age 12 in June, news site Delfi reported.
• Italy on 31 May approved extending the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to 12-15 year olds.
• Estonia could start vaccinating teenagers by the autumn, public broadcaster ERR reported, citing the head of the government's Covid-19 council.
• Austria aims to have over 340,000 children aged 12-15 vaccinated by the end of August, according to news site Vindobona.
• Hungary started vaccinating 16-18-year-olds in mid-May, according to Xinhua news agency.

 

[degsy]

Your steps aren't rational.

The perfect analogy really is the Homer Simpson Bear Patrol. That's exactly what you're advocating.

You used the Israeli mask reverse based on 100 cases a day in a population of 9 million with no corresponding hospitalisation/deaths as evidence we can't "live with it" - the reality is it's just a bonkers decision by Israel taken through a massive overabundance of caution that won't/can't be maintained.

We can and will live with it.

There are 37 new cases spread over 25M people here in Australia...and they're on the verge of shutting large swathes of the Country down again.
There has to be some place between No cases, learning to live with it and shutting the place down.

You're not going to get Zero...for a long time - if ever.

Opinion;
Australia might have had a very good 'Covid War' with regards to cases and, sadly, deaths per 100,000.
But they seem to be making a total hash of the 'vaccination peace'.

The States score off each other and they all call the Federal Govt. - who, when it suits them say...its State a responsibility.

Couldn't run a sausage sizzle as they say here

 

[Tubey]

But he's moved the goalposts. He's using that as an entire population figure. When hardly any country, as far as I'm aware, have started rolling out the vaccine programme to children yet.

We know why the delivery and roll out slowed in April and May. We knew it was happening and now it's back out again.

There's walk in centres all the time. You don't even need to book. It doesn't exactly scream of a roll out that is going slowly.

I'm not having a dig at you here Neiler, but that bloke is using numbers to fit his narrative (which he even admits in that thread).

They've done it by age - pretty much - since the very start here. Bar extremely vulnerable people, they have more often than not done it by age. We're now in 18.

I'm sure in September they'll have the mass roll out of vaccines in high schools and colleges.

Baffling tweet.

"Only" 86%? That's a huge number, absolutely huge. Well in excess of what is needed for population coverage, which is approx. 70%.

His own graphs invalidate his points but he doesn't interpret them that way because he doesn't want to.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Baffling tweet.

"Only" 86%? That's a huge number, absolutely huge. Well in excess of what is needed for population coverage, which is approx. 70%.

His own graphs invalidate his points but he doesn't interpret them that way because he doesn't want to.

Initially they said we need to vaccinate the over 50s or so. Now the goal posts have moved to all adults and it looks like kids too before normality can resume.

 

[Neiler]

Baffling tweet.

"Only" 86%? That's a huge number, absolutely huge. Well in excess of what is needed for population coverage, which is approx. 70%.

His own graphs invalidate his points but he doesn't interpret them that way because he doesn't want to.

Be 70-80% fully vaccinated though, wouldn't it as opposed to D1.

 

[Tubey]

Be 70-80% fully vaccinated though, wouldn't it as opposed to D1.

Yeah but the assumption is if you get the first you aren't averse to getting the second.

The problem would arise if the population wasn't getting any vaccine offered.

The drop off in second vaccines 45+ is simply because of the wait between the first and second required. For every age group that falls within the time frame for both doses, the conversion rate is extraordinarily high.

 

[peteblue]

Baffling tweet.

"Only" 86%? That's a huge number, absolutely huge. Well in excess of what is needed for population coverage, which is approx. 70%.

His own graphs invalidate his points but he doesn't interpret them that way because he doesn't want to.

There seems to be a lot of that going on, in here as well, by mixing or comparing data from ‘whole population’ and ‘adult population’......