Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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tsubaki said:
Well that’s just a remarkable take - how you get from “people take rational steps to mitigate against disaster” to “rational steps to mitigate disasters are unreasonable”.

I would bet people would prefer that we had the same sort of system to deal with this emergency as we do with emergencies generally, ie: people whose job it is to prevent where possible and give advance warning / deal with them if not.

I mean, that’s what we already do with fires, accidents, crime, motorway incidents, terrorism, war and even public health (though sadly not enough in this case). To say doing that with this is unreasonable isn’t, well, reasonable.
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Your steps aren't rational.

The perfect analogy really is the Homer Simpson Bear Patrol. That's exactly what you're advocating.

You used the Israeli mask reverse based on 100 cases a day in a population of 9 million with no corresponding hospitalisation/deaths as evidence we can't "live with it" - the reality is it's just a bonkers decision by Israel taken through a massive overabundance of caution that won't/can't be maintained.

We can and will live with it.
 
Tubey said:
Your steps aren't rational.

The perfect analogy really is the Homer Simpson Bear Patrol. That's exactly what you're advocating.

You used the Israeli mask reverse based on 100 cases a day in a population of 9 million with no corresponding hospitalisation/deaths as evidence we can't "live with it" - the reality is it's just a bonkers decision by Israel taken through a massive overabundance of caution that won't/can't be maintained.

We can and will live with it.
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Tubey sorry to break this to you, but around 130000 people have died in this country after testing positive for this disease, hundreds of billions of pounds have been spent on trying to cope with it, and even you admit this will be coming back repeatedly.

If you think that justifies the bear patrol analogy, then I can only hope the old waffle on which your belief system is clearly based doesn’t fall on your head.
 
tsubaki said:
Tubey sorry to break this to you, but around 130000 people have died in this country after testing positive for this disease, hundreds of billions of pounds have been spent on trying to cope with it, and even you admit this will be coming back repeatedly.

If you think that justifies the bear patrol analogy, then I can only hope the old waffle on which your belief system is clearly based doesn’t fall on your head.
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Without vaccines.

You missed that part.

I'm sure that was an accidental omission.
 
Yeah, once the vaccines are available, pandemics turn into endemics, they just do, it has always been like that. Unless COVID is something entirely different, shouldn't be.
 
Tubey said:
Without vaccines.

You missed that part.

I'm sure that was an accidental omission.
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You do know people are still dying of this now after having two jabs, never mind what will happen if the vaccines provide less protection against a future variant? When an outcome is as likely as that is, we’ve surely got to prepare for it.

Or to put it in an analogy you might understand - if bears had wrecked Springfield, mauled dozens of residents to death, had left but everyone knew with certainty the bears were going to repeatedly come back, would Homer have been wrong to institute some kind of collective defence against bears?
 
tsubaki said:
You do know people are still dying of this now after having two jabs, never mind what will happen if the vaccines provide less protection against a future variant? When an outcome is as likely as that is, we’ve surely got to prepare for it.

Or to put it in an analogy you might understand - if bears had wrecked Springfield, mauled dozens of residents to death, had left but everyone knew with certainty the bears were going to repeatedly come back, would Homer have been wrong to institute some kind of collective defence against bears?
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No idea what the comparable UK numbers are, but the data that was released for US recently indicated that of 18,000 deaths attributed to COVID in May, only 150 of those people were fully vaccinated. Don't know the demographics on those 150, but I'd be willing to wager they skew towards people who were either elderly or had other risk factors. Regardless, that's less than 1% of deaths coming from fully vaxxed people. Roughly 150 people die in automobile accidents every month in my state alone, yet there are no calls to upend our entire world to prevent them. It's just an risk we live with.

At this point in the US, and soon in the UK, the only reason you will be at any serious risk from COVID is because you've actively chosen not to protect yourself against it, and it's not really fair for the rest of us to continue putting our lives on hold because some people are too stubborn to get a simple vaccine.
 
TN Toffee said:
No idea what the comparable UK numbers are, but the data that was released for US recently indicated that of 18,000 deaths attributed to COVID in May, only 150 of those people were fully vaccinated. Don't know the demographics on those 150, but I'd be willing to wager they skew towards people who were either elderly or had other risk factors. Regardless, that's less than 1% of deaths coming from fully vaxxed people. Roughly 150 people die in automobile accidents every month in my state alone, yet there are no calls to upend our entire world to prevent them. It's just an risk we live with.

At this point in the US, and soon in the UK, the only reason you will be at any serious risk from COVID is because you've actively chosen not to protect yourself against it, and it's not really fair for the rest of us to continue putting our lives on hold because some people are too stubborn to get a simple vaccine.
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Who is calling for people to continue putting their lives on hold? What I want, what I’ve said on this thread since last April, is that we need to have better means of detecting and containing diseases (and this disease in particular).

I do not want another lockdown. To ensure we don’t have another one, we are going to have to identify and contain new outbreaks of this - it is that simple. That benefits everyone, not just the unvaccinated, or the elderly. Not doing that has a really good chance of causing another avoidable calamity.
 
tsubaki said:
Who is calling for people to continue putting their lives on hold? What I want, what I’ve said on this thread since last April, is that we need to have better means of detecting and containing diseases (and this disease in particular).

I do not want another lockdown. To ensure we don’t have another one, we are going to have to identify and contain new outbreaks of this - it is that simple. That benefits everyone, not just the unvaccinated, or the elderly. Not doing that has a really good chance of causing another avoidable calamity.
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Going forward, I agree with you 1000% that the entire world needs better methods of containing viral outbreaks. Unfortunately, with COVID, we blew through the containment phase in the second of third week of February last year and are now just stuck mitigating it as best we can. Since the virus is now so widespread, true lockdowns are the only way to really eliminate it, but they aren’t practical on a number of levels. Even if you have a reliable system of contact tracing, neither is asking every person who comes within 6 feet of an infected person to hole up inside for a week and a half. The vaccines however, are effective on almost a miraculous level. Getting people vaccinated ASAP and getting on with life is really our only option at this stage.
 
No hospital figures reported today, last Saturday’s late revealed total was 9

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 23 deaths were announced today, up 5 on yesterday and up 9 on last Saturday. The 7 day rolling average rises to an even 17

For the 60 day cut off, 30 deaths were announced today, up 3 on yesterday and up 6 on last Saturday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 22.86
 
The wife has been advised to isolate through the track and trace app.

She's not been asked to sign in to anything.
My dad when he got contacted was advised to.

Is something amiss?
 
Tramps_mate said:
Today's figures..

18,270 new cases and 23 new deaths
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Its been exponential growth since it was 200 cases.

Its interesting seeing how the UK react, without vaccines you wold guys would have been in lock down by now without vaccines!

Do you carry on as is or try and contain case instances.

Be a brave decision to open up more.
 
Neiler said:
Its been exponential growth since it was 200 cases.

Its interesting seeing how the UK react, without vaccines you wold guys would have been in lock down by now without vaccines!

Do you carry on as is or try and contain case instances.

Be a brave decision to open up more.
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We have vaccines. We have a roll out that has gone really well.

So we carry on.

Because if we stop, if we don't carry on, then we'll never get out of this state of limbo.

That should be the same for any country.

The delay we're having now - well that's okay, as long as it is used to get more and more people vaccinated (which in fairness, it is).
 
jinkyali said:
The wife has been advised to isolate through the track and trace app.

She's not been asked to sign in to anything.
My dad when he got contacted was advised to.

Is something amiss?
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It's crap but she has to isolate.

She can get tests for peace of mind but it doesn't mean anything other than she has to isolate for 10 days.

You don't have to isolate unless she tests positive (just order the lateral flow ones to your house) or shows symptoms.
 
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