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Public Health England reporting the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% and AstraZeneca 92% effective against hospitalisation with Delta variant after 2 doses.
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Vaccines highly effective against hospitalisation from Delta variant
New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.
Yeah I agree, I'm just saying, for some people the precedent has been set.
Masks in winter etc - well that doesn't solve not being able to go to indoor events etc does it. I'm not sure live music can come back if you've got to have everyone in masks from November to March.
It's all a mess and someone has to start taking the steps. If this pause allows us do that long-term, great, I just think the media-fuelled panic will come back.
Just looking at the case numbers around Europe.
UK: 7742
France: 689
Germany: 907
Italy: 907
You can see the sense from the U.K. Goverments perspective to hold fire on further opening up, might even be an argument for going back a few steps.
Some big decisions to be made by other European Countries in terms of travel and the U.K. It might actually be to late and inevitable as Delta will be become the dominant variant.
Maybe all that can be done now is slowing its spread, quarantines despite vaccination status would be my recommendation. Every day in slowing this down saves lives, as the EU in about a month behind the U.K. in double doses, we all need to take this on the chin, work together, slow this down and save lives, time here is very valuable.
UK: 7742
France: 689
Germany: 907
Italy: 907
You can see the sense from the U.K. Goverments perspective to hold fire on further opening up, might even be an argument for going back a few steps.
Some big decisions to be made by other European Countries in terms of travel and the U.K. It might actually be to late and inevitable as Delta will be become the dominant variant.
Maybe all that can be done now is slowing its spread, quarantines despite vaccination status would be my recommendation. Every day in slowing this down saves lives, as the EU in about a month behind the U.K. in double doses, we all need to take this on the chin, work together, slow this down and save lives, time here is very valuable.
You have to compare testing too though. The UK are doing so much more tests.
I can't get Germany figures, but here's the testing figures for June 11th for UK, France and Italy
UK - 1,000,900 (11th only)
France - 372,226 (as of 9th)
Italy - 205,355 (inc 10th and 11th)
So yes, what you're saying is right, but the UK is testing more than any other nation other than India, according to our world in data.
If France and Italy were testing as much as the UK, the likelihood is they'd be seeing more positive cases recorded too - albeit probably not as many if the Delta strain or whatever it is isn't as dominant.
The German Delta cases seem a bit odd tbh, know there likely not as much seeding from travel as in the UK but they still aren’t growing as much as I’d have expected given how it appears to be spreading in Asian countries and the comparatively low vaccination rates (especially full vaccination) in Germany.
Germany iirc was pretty good at test and trace - wonder if that is making a difference or some other factor(s).
Going to be important to see if other UK regions follow the NW pattern of case growth or diverge over the next couple of weeks.
Delta variant could cause significant third wave - latest Imperial modelling | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Imperial’s latest modelling suggests the Delta variant could lead to a significant third wave of hospitalisations and deaths.
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AdamEFC
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I’m guessing work, because other than a quick in and out to Morrison’s I haven’t left the house in nearly a week.
tsubaki
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I think in terms of effective testing and tracing, they absolutely are.
People do forget that although the UK is doing lots of tests many of them (probably the majority) are hospitals, workplaces or schools screening.
Fair point, but everyone is testing to their usual mean, so from that point of view I think the trend and risk is still indicative.
It’s likely a case we can’t stop this variant but we can slow the seeding and spreading, vaccines are part of it but so are restrictions and travel restrictions, people on one dose or those not vaccinated are at risk here and the unlucky 5% who have had double doses. Everyday we slow the spread of this is saving lives. Domestically and globally.
The EU vaccine passport thing is quite mad if you ask me. No offence, but all travel should cease with the U.K. or have 3 week quarantines on arrival, unfortunately I don’t think that will happen and is likely to late at this pint anyway.
What is happening in the U.K. now is just a precursor to what will happen in other countries in the next few weeks. It’s a bit idiotic that we are walking into this again, it’s like we’ve learned nothing, speaking of the whole of Europe here.
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bluelife
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And then the rapid spread can lead to a new variant... potentially evades vaccines more... the cycle repeats. Very frustrating - agreed... it's like they aren't learning their lessons.
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Made me laugh!
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I don't get how this Indian variant is 80% more transmissible but has only spread in the UK and India. The Kent one spread pretty quickly through a lot of countries and if this one is 80% more transmissible surely it should be even worse?
NilSatisOptimum
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It's very easy to understand when football politics is out aside. we literally imported the delta .Too much faith in vaccines, it's only part of the answer at this juncture.
UK ‘allowed 20,000 people to fly in from India’ despite variant warnings
Boris Johnson has been criticised for not banning travel from India sooner.
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Flights from India still arriving in Britain despite surge in cases of variant
More than 100 direct flights are thought to have arrived in Britain since India was put on the red travel list.
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It almost certainly will, as with every wave so far, some countries are ahead and some are behind. When the Indian variant gets a foothold in Europe it will have similar effects - let's just hope that Europe are far enough behind to get many more jabs in arms.
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