Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[dholliday]

I don't disagree with the concept of wearing masks during a global health emergency.

I just disagree with the concept of continuing it perpetually when there isn't. Because life is for living - to avoid every danger is impossible and isn't even desirable.

The science literally tells us healthy people wearing masks to protect others from illnesses like flu/colds is counter-productive.

People shouldn't do it, full stop.

This guidance eventually changed specifically for sars-cov-2 - @Bruce Wayne - but for all other illnesses, wearing masks if healthy does more harm than good. That's what our understanding of cold/flu viruses (minus sars-cov-2) tells us. This hasn't changed.

Ergo, we should most adamantly disagree with anyone suggesting healthy people wear masks permanently! You're only damaging your own health.

Utter nuts how some people have gone all in on the mask cult.

Furthermore, take Texas & Florida for example who have no mask-mandates, where people have the freedom to choose. Their case numbers are falling, suggesting that Fauci's original March 2020 advice will eventually hold true for sars-cov-2.

i.e. the virus does what it wants, and after an initial strong burst at the pandemic stage will peter out its abilities, possibly becoming merely another seasonal corona-virus.

 

[tsubaki]

The science literally tells us healthy people wearing masks to protect others from illnesses like flu/colds is counter-productive.

People shouldn't do it, full stop.

This guidance eventually changed specifically for sars-cov-2 - @Bruce Wayne - but for all other illnesses, wearing masks if healthy does more harm than good. That's what our understanding of cold/flu viruses (minus sars-cov-2) tells us. This hasn't changed.

Ergo, we should most adamantly disagree with anyone suggesting healthy people wear masks permanently! You're only damaging your own health.

Utter nuts how some people have gone all in on the mask cult.

Furthermore, take Texas & Florida for example who have no mask-mandates, where people have the freedom to choose. Their case numbers are falling, suggesting that Fauci's original March 2020 advice will eventually hold true for sars-cov-2.

i.e. the virus does what it wants, and after an initial strong burst at the pandemic stage will peter out its abilities, possibly becoming merely another seasonal corona-virus.

the science literally doesn’t tell us that, which is why you’ve not posted any

 

[COYBL25]

O behave, 14 odd months in and you come out with that? The main problem with masks is too many people still dont wear them

I’d say that at least 50% of the parents at my lads school don’t bother with them anymore.

Even though it’s the law, masks have become optional in my local, mainly due to the clientele being old boys who’ve all had both jabs.

Hardly anyone wears a mask at the big Asda by us and the staff / security have given up trying to police it.

Anyone who thinks that anyone other than the worried well, will continue to wear masks when there’s no need to, is living on a different planet.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Transmission and severity assessments aren’t great but at least estimates don’t seem to have increased.

On the good news side

 

[dholliday]

the science literally doesn’t tell us that, which is why you’ve not posted any

i posted the holy Dr Fauci, who is basing his knowledge on decades of experience with CDC/WHO..what more could you possibly want?

lol

Once sars-cov-2 has passed its peak, healthy asymptomatic folk should unquestionably have the freedom to choose whether they wear masks going forward.

A mask-wearing society is impersonal, this isn't something we want to promote as that is a far higher price to pay than any high-on-emotion non-evidence-based arguments you may have.

 

[Cool_Blue]

There’s no need to be a sarcastic bel end is there ?

I don’t really see what 3000 years has to do with it. 150 years ago people thought it was acceptable to have slaves.

Government already does mandate clothing in the name of public good, that’s the salient point.

From not wearing a mask in Asda to slave owners in half a dozen posts. Tremendous stuff.

 

[tsubaki]

i posted the holy Dr Fauci, who is basing his knowledge on decades of experience with CDC/WHO..what more could you possibly want?

lol

Once sars-cov-2 has passed its peak, healthy asymptomatic folk should unquestionably have the freedom to choose whether they wear masks going forward.

A mask-wearing society is impersonal, this isn't something we want to promote as that is a far higher price to pay than any high-on-emotion non-evidence-based arguments you may have.

lol

you’ve amused us all with your evidence so far, come on you can find at least a bit of “science” that tells us how mask wearing is harmful

 

[LinekersLegs]

The science literally tells us healthy people wearing masks to protect others from illnesses like flu/colds is counter-productive.

People shouldn't do it, full stop.

This guidance eventually changed specifically for sars-cov-2 - @Bruce Wayne - but for all other illnesses, wearing masks if healthy does more harm than good. That's what our understanding of cold/flu viruses (minus sars-cov-2) tells us. This hasn't changed.

Ergo, we should most adamantly disagree with anyone suggesting healthy people wear masks permanently! You're only damaging your own health.

Utter nuts how some people have gone all in on the mask cult.

Furthermore, take Texas & Florida for example who have no mask-mandates, where people have the freedom to choose. Their case numbers are falling, suggesting that Fauci's original March 2020 advice will eventually hold true for sars-cov-2.

i.e. the virus does what it wants, and after an initial strong burst at the pandemic stage will peter out its abilities, possibly becoming merely another seasonal corona-virus.

That is not what the CDC states as far as can tell, they don’t see it as a panacea but it is still useful

Interim Guidance for the Use of Masks to Control Seasonal Influenza Virus Transmission | CDC

Role of masks for controlling influenza when suboptimal immunization of the public could increase the frequency of influenza infection - CDC

www.cdc.gov

Adults can shed influenza virus 1 day before symptoms appear and up to approximately 5 to 7 days after onset of illness; thus, the selective use of masks (e.g., in proximity to a known symptomatic person) may not effectively limit transmission in the community. Young children, immunocompromised persons of any age, and critically ill patients with influenza can shed influenza viruses in the respiratory tract for prolonged periods. Moreover, because no single intervention can provide complete protection against influenza virus transmission, emphasis should be placed on multiple strategies including pharmaceutical (e.g., vaccines and antiviral medications) and non-pharmaceutical interventions. The latter group include: 1) community measures (e.g., social distancing and school closures); 2) environmental measures (e.g., routine surface cleaning); and 3) personal protective measures such as encouraging symptomatic persons to:

• cover their nose and mouth when coughing or sneezing,
• use tissues to contain respiratory secretions and, after use, to dispose of them in the nearest waste receptacle, and
• perform hand hygiene (e.g., handwashing with non-antimicrobial soap and water, and alcohol-based hand rub if soap and water are not available) after having contact with respiratory secretions and contaminated objects/materials.

Persons who are diagnosed with influenza by a physician or who have a febrile respiratory illness during a period of increased influenza activity in the community should remain at home until the fever is resolved for 24 hours (without fever-reducing medications) and the cough is resolving to avoid exposing other members of the public. If such symptomatic persons cannot stay home during the acute phase of their illness, consideration should be given to having them wear a mask in public places when they may have close contact with other persons. In addition, masks are recommended for use by symptomatic, post-partum women while caring for and nursing their infant (see Guidance for Prevention and Control of Influenza in the Peri- and Postpartum Settings).

 

[dholliday]

lol

you’ve amused us all with your evidence so far, come on you can find at least a bit of “science” that tells us how mask wearing is harmful

You are saying you distrust Dr. Fauci, as he made it quite clear what the current understanding is.

But i can also offer you a learned link if you like?

How about this one?

Prolonged use of N95 and surgical masks by healthcare professionals during COVID-19 has caused adverse effects such as headaches, rash, acne, skin breakdown, and impaired cognition in the majority of those surveyed.

Adverse Effects of Prolonged Mask Use among Healthcare Professionals during COVID-19

In March 2020, New York City encountered its first official case of COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019). This novel coronavirus, referred to as SARS-COV 2, originated in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Within a short amount of time, hundreds of thousands of cases were diagnosed around the world...

clinmedjournals.org

Then there's the impersonal factor i mentioned earlier...i don't wanna live in a society where everyone is wearing masks. It's depressing.

You do you, tho'

 

[dholliday]

(e.g., in proximity to a known symptomatic person) .

If such symptomatic persons cannot stay home during the acute phase of their illness, consideration should be given to having them wear a mask in public places when they may have close contact with other persons. In addition, masks are recommended for use by symptomatic, post-partum women while caring for and nursing their infant (see Guidance for Prevention and Control of Influenza in the Peri- and Postpartum Settings).

keyword symptomatic.

We're talking here of healthy asymptomatic folk being required to wear masks permanently to theoritically protect others.

See my reply to tsubaki above, with link to study. And see Dr. Fauci's interview.

Two key questions for you, Legs:
Post-pandemic: do you still want to wear a mask while out 'n about, even when healthy? Would you support a mandate to make this compulsory for all?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[4737carlin]

I’d say that at least 50% of the parents at my lads school don’t bother with them anymore.

Even though it’s the law, masks have become optional in my local, mainly due to the clientele being old boys who’ve all had both jabs.

Hardly anyone wears a mask at the big Asda by us and the staff / security have given up trying to police it.

Anyone who thinks that anyone other than the worried well, will continue to wear masks when there’s no need to, is living on a different planet.

Yeah a lot of people dont bother, its why this 21st date has to go back a month, at least, and we need some kind of covid passport like the England games are having.
The people could of worked hard together to end this but too many dont care, restrictions are going to be needed for a while, I'd say at least 12 months before full capacity grounds.

 

[LinekersLegs]

keyword symptomatic.

We're talking here of healthy asymptomatic folk being required to wear masks permanently to theoritically protect others.

See my reply to tsubaki above, with link to study. And see Dr. Fauci's interview.

Two key questions for you, Legs:
Post-pandemic: do you still want to wear a mask while out 'n about, even when healthy? Would you support a mandate to make this compulsory for all?

Ah it is early here and I’m multitasking - thought you were arguing a different point re masks I’ve seen made, the “got to expose everyone to common bugs to build up natural immunity” argument.

I’ll certainly wear one when traveling back to Europe to visit my parents - in the past I have almost always caught some bug or other and unfortunately not infrequently passed it on to them.

Otherwise I have yet to fully make up my mind, need to do some more reading on pros/cons and there will undoubtedly be more scientific papers coming out on the topic with updated analysis. Absent laws would probably depend on seasonality, how crowded/ventilated a space is and health situation of people I regularly meet.

 

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